Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 2826036)

So, if there is some sorta retire medical.....AND.....we are 2 years past the amendable date.....and I had to retire 1 day prior to the vote......I will receive....1. The retiree medical plan
2. The % increase to my W-2's for those 2 years

and the cash balance plan?????


And this comes with a Jerry guarantee?, a MEC guarantee?, whose guarantee? Is that written somewhere so that I can reference it?


This is all very interesting, and well worth the discussion, cause previously the answers as to "the recipients" ran the gamut of "if you're not on the property you'll get nothing" to "of course everyone gets it, what a stupid question"


I gotta be up front about this. Depending on the answer, my vote could be..."I'll vote for any POS TA (TA1) cause it could cost me 100k if it doesn't pass, ......to ......."I'll vote "NO" cause I'm "protected" and I think all pilots deserve better".....I like to think of myself as fairly altruistic......I just don't trust those other 2500 pilots approaching retirement in the next 3 years:rolleyes:......Those are "tip the scale" numbers.....and thus very important to unity

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 2826036)

So, if there is some sorta retire medical.....AND.....we are 2 years past the amendable date.....and I had to retire 1 day prior to the vote......I will receive....1. The retiree medical plan
2. The % increase to my W-2's for those 2 years

and the cash balance plan?????


And this comes with a Jerry guarantee?, a MEC guarantee?, whose guarantee? Is that written somewhere so that I can reference it?


This is all very interesting, and well worth the discussion, cause previously the answers as to "the recipients" ran the gamut of "if you're not on the property you'll get nothing" to "of course everyone gets it, what a stupid question"


I gotta be up front about this. Depending on the answer, my vote could be..."I'll vote for any POS TA (TA1) cause it could cost me 100k if it doesn't pass, ......to ......."I'll vote "NO" cause I'm "protected" and I think all pilots deserve better".....I like to think of myself as fairly altruistic......I just don't trust those other 2500 pilots approaching retirement in the next 3 years:rolleyes:......Those are "tip the scale" numbers.....and thus very important to unity

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 2826036)

So, if there is some sorta retire medical.....AND.....we are 2 years past the amendable date.....and I had to retire 1 day prior to the vote......I will receive....1. The retiree medical plan
2. The % increase to my W-2's for those 2 years

and the cash balance plan?????


And this comes with a Jerry guarantee?, a MEC guarantee?, whose guarantee? Is that written somewhere so that I can reference it?


This is all very interesting, and well worth the discussion, cause previously the answers as to "the recipients" ran the gamut of "if you're not on the property you'll get nothing" to "of course everyone gets it, what a stupid question"


I gotta be up front about this. Depending on the answer, my vote could be..."I'll vote for any POS TA (TA1) cause it could cost me 100k if it doesn't pass, ......to ......."I'll vote "NO" cause I'm "protected" and I think all pilots deserve better".....I like to think of myself as fairly altruistic......I just don't trust those other 2500 pilots approaching retirement in the next 3 years:rolleyes:......Those are "tip the scale" numbers.....and thus very important to unity

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 2826176)

Jerry,

Would that mimic the same age and seniority of the MEC and negotiators on TA1? Yea, same, same as I thought. How'd that work out for TA1? My best Alfred E. Neumann imitation......"What, me worry"?

So, since TA1 had no retro(because it was "early")....how would all the "ambivalent" guys feel if that got voted "IN" as opposed to being voted "DOWN". Something like that is a distinct possibility if 2500 guys approaching retirement vote en masse for a POS because no "retro" policy has been formulated during the quiet times( you know, when it's not needed).

Macht nichts to me, I won't be living under it for 20-30 years. Kinda surprised at the ambivalence of the younger guys, I see this only going sideways or neutral for them, there is no upside.

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 2826036)

So, if there is some sorta retire medical.....AND.....we are 2 years past the amendable date.....and I had to retire 1 day prior to the vote......I will receive....1. The retiree medical plan
2. The % increase to my W-2's for those 2 years

and the cash balance plan?????


And this comes with a Jerry guarantee?, a MEC guarantee?, whose guarantee? Is that written somewhere so that I can reference it?


This is all very interesting, and well worth the discussion, cause previously the answers as to "the recipients" ran the gamut of "if you're not on the property you'll get nothing" to "of course everyone gets it, what a stupid question"


I gotta be up front about this. Depending on the answer, my vote could be..."I'll vote for any POS TA (TA1) cause it could cost me 100k if it doesn't pass, ......to ......."I'll vote "NO" cause I'm "protected" and I think all pilots deserve better".....I like to think of myself as fairly altruistic......I just don't trust those other 2500 pilots approaching retirement in the next 3 years:rolleyes:......Those are "tip the scale" numbers.....and thus very important to unity

Originally Posted by Hossharris (Post 2826498)

If you’re retired, you won’t be voting either way ....

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2826230)

We all just share our opinions here.

In my opinion, we will make major gains across the board. In just 36 months Delta will be making $7 Billion annually from its new deal with American Express.

There is enough money times 10 for the gains we will attain.

Our younger pilots will benefit greatly. Higher value of vacation day, min day, training day, per diem, hourly rates, retirement, insurance, fix reroute, deadhead, scope, etc.

Seems to me you are trying to create I divide and deliver us for less to management. I hope I am wrong.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2826508)

Just to clarify but I think you know this. delta predicts up to 7 billion in revenue by 2023. That is a increase of 3.5 billion from current revenue generated. Those numbers however are not profit. There are large costs associated with the program. Using a typical 15% return the 3.5 billion should up Delta’s profit 525 million dollars a year. That’s a massive increase but does not sound as good as your 7 billion number. Stating they will be making 7 billion is flat out incorrect. Revenue is not profit.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2826510)

The articles I read say the American Express money is mostly profit.

Love you predictable attempt to water it down for management.