Originally Posted by badflaps
(Post 2826679)
So... That glass is not actually bulletproof.
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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 2826661)
And end those asinine fake noise abatement procedures. The vast majority of the time they make zero difference. Its pre concieved nonsense from the straight pipe turbojet days where windows would break and fillings would fall out. Yet we act like stage 3+ turbofans thousands of feet above are somehow a noise issue when the actual decibels is an eighth of the school bus driving down the street or a weed wacker 12 doors down. :rolleyes:
https://image.nj.com/home/njo-media/...3d654656ac.png We also modeled the departure tracks, or noise abatement tracks for the airports studied. Here at Newark for example, if you look at the departures to the south, you can see the turn westward just S of Elizabeth. Houses within a certain db level were purchased by the FAA and torn down, and houses further away received noise proofing. Here is a link to the Newark noise maps: Final Noise Exposure Map Report - EWR Airport While today's jets are quieter than older ones, they still make noise. Also, Part 150 studies aren't done very often, maybe every 10-15 years so the data to allow a change to a noise abatement procedure takes a while. The biggest issue is that changing a departure moves the noise from one set of people to another - it is very politically charged and generally can't get done. So the noise abatement procedures don't change. Here's a list from the FAA of big airports and links to their noise abatement pages: https://www.faa.gov/airports/environ...exposure_maps/ |
Originally Posted by iaflyer
(Post 2828730)
While today's jets are quieter than older ones, they still make noise...The biggest issue is that changing a departure moves the noise from one set of people to another - it is very politically charged and generally can't get done. So the noise abatement procedures don't change.
The vast majority of the time now, if you hear a plane its barely audibile compared to school busses and mail trucks and garbage trucks and lawnmowers and weed wackers and sometimes even chirping birds. Nobody should be able to adjust ground tracks of planes for that just because they hear something they can eventually attribute to being an airplane because of stupid preconceptions from the 1970's. |
It’s easy to claim no cancels when you make up your own metrics. Flight goes mechanical,it cancels and is ran the next day as an “extra section”. Still counts for CCF. They call no cancel days “brand days”
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Originally Posted by DARR31
(Post 2826068)
I know a captain that got called for a green slip to fly a jet from SEA to PDX and back empty both ways. I asked him why and he said that they needed to show completion for the flight number. That is how they get away with saying no cancellations!
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Originally Posted by ESQ702
(Post 2834125)
Good grief. I hope this isn’t that common. I’d love to know how much Delta spends on baloney like this.
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This is how they can say “we’ll get you there and 99.9999% on time” when they make the pitch to corporate clients. Think HVCs and revenue premium and this is a trivial expense for 15% more than the other guy for every seat we sell. They are actually doing it right. Now, how much they share with me... well that’s not right or at best TBD.
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
(Post 2834155)
This is how they can say “we’ll get you there and 99.9999% on time” when they make the pitch to corporate clients. Think HVCs and revenue premium and this is a trivial expense for 15% more than the other guy for every seat we sell. They are actually doing it right. Now, how much they share with me... well that’s not right or at best TBD.
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Well they cancelled a SDF to ATL flight yesterday. So much for 100%!
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
(Post 2834161)
I guess the practice brings down the profit sharing a little, but if it attracts high end customers and replaces money taken by the "fly them empty" policy, who cares if it's kinda fake? It seems like I'm missing a big piece of the puzzle for as many pilots that are mad. Anyone see what I'm saying?
Yes, you are correct on the cost and I don’t like adding CO2 to the atmosphere unnecessarily but at least we are replacing JT8Ds with PW1500Gs. |
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