30/168 and X-day(s)
06-06-2019, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BCan
I have over 3 days available. I tried to load most of my x-days at the end of the month because I’m moving. I have a couple odd x-days placed to what appears to solve the 30 hour off requirement. I’m unable to move them.
06-06-2019, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
PBS does not place X-days based on 30/168...you either are awarded an X-day (if you asked for it) or not because of coverage. However, PCS will deny a move for 30/168. Check out page 72 in the scheduling reference handbook.
06-06-2019, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
If that is true, it is fairly new as I spent the first half of last year moving all my x days into singe blocks.
X-Day Moves and the 30/168 Requirement
FAR 117 requires a pilot to have 30 hours of rest in the 168 hour period immediately preceding an assignment
to short call or to a rotation. PBS awards are not affected by this requirement, however certain X-day move
requests are denied for this reason. The PCS system, in order to ensure compliance with this rule, will deny
an X-day move if it does not provide at least 30 consecutive hours of rest in each 168 hour period, unless that
condition already exists as a result of the pilot’s PBS award. In most cases, this will require two contiguous
X-days in each seven calendar days.
The PCS programming uses the following logic:
• The move cannot create a 30 in 168 violation, if one didn’t exist, or
• if a pilot already has seven days on call, then the X-day(s) move cannot create more than 13 days oncall
(This is because one violation already exists and allowing more than 13 contiguous days on-call
would create a second violation).
FAR 117 requires a pilot to have 30 hours of rest in the 168 hour period immediately preceding an assignment
to short call or to a rotation. PBS awards are not affected by this requirement, however certain X-day move
requests are denied for this reason. The PCS system, in order to ensure compliance with this rule, will deny
an X-day move if it does not provide at least 30 consecutive hours of rest in each 168 hour period, unless that
condition already exists as a result of the pilot’s PBS award. In most cases, this will require two contiguous
X-days in each seven calendar days.
The PCS programming uses the following logic:
• The move cannot create a 30 in 168 violation, if one didn’t exist, or
• if a pilot already has seven days on call, then the X-day(s) move cannot create more than 13 days oncall
(This is because one violation already exists and allowing more than 13 contiguous days on-call
would create a second violation).
06-06-2019, 04:59 PM
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Don’t give up in close. Say you get a trip, then put in rest. Or day 1 is long call and not used. May be able to move at that point as your are not creating a violation. I do think you are not able to move inside 72 hours....put I’d have to look that number up to be sure.
06-06-2019, 06:22 PM
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I was able to move 1 of 2 single x-days onto the unmoved single x-day. Then on the next run - I was allowed to move both x-days.
For whatever reason, I was not allowed to move two single x-days, in order to combine them on different dates.
Maybe it helps someone in the future...appreciate all the help here.
For whatever reason, I was not allowed to move two single x-days, in order to combine them on different dates.
Maybe it helps someone in the future...appreciate all the help here.
Last edited by BCan; 06-06-2019 at 06:23 PM. Reason: Spellin
06-06-2019, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish
Don’t give up in close. Say you get a trip, then put in rest. Or day 1 is long call and not used. May be able to move at that point as your are not creating a violation. I do think you are not able to move inside 72 hours....put I’d have to look that number up to be sure.
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