Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 2834363)

This is false. I had an incident last week where I got a reroute that showed me getting in 9 minutes before having to extend. When I looked closer at rotation, I realized they had the flight attendants were scheduled for a 20 minute turn. Obviously our reroute went into the extension. I called crew tracking and the 24 hour ALPA line. I was told by both that it was a legal reroute and I wasn't rerouted into an extension but delayed into an extension.

I actually believe the post about looking for people to make examples of. I called in fatigue one time years ago and ended up getting calls from 2 duty pilots and a chief pilot. The chief pilot was threatening my pay even though there was no legit threat as I was content getting paid for what I actually did (my call was at end of rotation when I was rerouted to fly instead of deadhead). Fatiguing out is absolutely more hassle than continuing.

Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 2834367)

Which you chose to extend into. My point was the reroute can’t be scheduled into the extension. In your case the 20 min turn was not realistic and could be argued was an illegal assignment because of the known delay. You should have stated you will not extend because there is no realistic estimate of the length of your duty, therefore no way to ensure you will be adequately fit for the undefined duty.

Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 2835524)

As I understand it, You can’t pick up over the footprint of the trip you for which you called in fatigued. But you can still WS or GS after that.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2834402)

How would you be fatigued before you even sign in for the trip?

Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 2835525)

How would you want it rectified?

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2835589)

For Enuf: At what time does a delay for a turn become 'realistic'? 25 minutes? 30 minutes? an hour?

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 2835509)

OBTW....you guys need to lighten up....subtle sarcasm isn't necessarily bull**** nor over the top bull****....in this case it was a means to provide another perspective. I like to think we are all responsible and can manage our own live's accordingly re sleep prep

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 2835594)

I could be fatigued before signing in for an assigned all night transcon.

Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2835672)

Pretty sure I recall this isn't the 1st or even 2nd time you're having to backtrack on "sarcasm". Maybe the problem isn't with the way the 99% interpret your posts.

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 2835214)

Gosh..."the responsible thing to do"...
So you guys on international have to fly 12 hours straight?...no rest break,or possibly 2 of them.....???

Crap....that's inhuman....no wonder your preparation was so diligent...you are a true professional

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 2835509)

Hmmm....Bronco said his sleep prep was the "responsible" thing to do. Therefore, to not do sleep prep for international like he does would be what ??????......I think the word irresponsible comes to mind. Ergo, since I don't do that, I am ?????? I told him, he was truly a professional.

The only diff as far as over the top bull cr** between what he did and what I did is.....he intentionally/unintentionally implied I (and all the others that don't do it his way) are unprofessional....while I told him HE was real professional

In the week or two that I have been flying international, I have NEVER heard of guys staying up till 4 am intentionally prior to the first leg to prep.....I have heard of them waking up at 3 am unintentionally;)




OBTW....you guys need to lighten up....subtle sarcasm isn't necessarily bull**** nor over the top bull****....in this case it was a means to provide another perspective. I like to think we are all responsible and can manage our own live's accordingly re sleep prep

Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 2835701)

Plainly stated....you don't think that it was fair for me to infer that if Bronco was responsible in his international sleep prep that the corollary is I am being irresponsible to do it another way?

Originally Posted by Broncos (Post 2834976)

Also, this flight (before it was shifted 14 hours into the future) was planned to land at the destination at 0500 pilot base time. So no, I don't believe staying up until 0400 the night before is unusual at all. In fact, I think it's the responsible thing to do.