DPSP isn't duesable... until it is.
07-02-2019, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
We agree. DPSP cash is the least efficient earnings we have. It isn't considered earnings for PS and it is taxed and now it will be subject to dues. We need to get these funds sheltered by a vehicle or make them a part of regular earnings so they earn PS (which in turn earns retirement money) My point was only to emphasize the dilemma of this compensation. Morally, I think dues on any negotiated benefit is wrong. What's next, dues on imputed life insurance or moving expenses or FAA medical reimbursement, or somehow quantify my additional X day with adequate reserve staffing?
Denny
07-02-2019, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I'm not complaining about the 1.85% dues on regular income. What guys are complaining about is dues being taken out of money that's earned as a retirement benefit. When has a retirement benefit been subject to dues? Retirement money has never been duesable before but now it is...
I gladly pay my 1.85% on my earned income. I don't think I should be paying that dues on a retirement benefit.
Denny
I gladly pay my 1.85% on my earned income. I don't think I should be paying that dues on a retirement benefit.
Denny
Either way all the outrage at Natl is misinformed and misguided. Want to change it? Read the Constitution and By-Laws on how. All there in black and white. Hint: it takes 2/3 of roll call delegate votes of the BOD, and DAL is not 2/3. Gotta build consensus. Back to Your regularly scheduled chest beating about how Delta pays more dues than anyone else so we get whatever we demand. Shame on the Reps who are too lazy to learn (which is their job) how policy works and feed the populist narrative.
I don’t like it either, and want to see it changed, but ours is truly a first world problem. I also see our strength as a Natl union is far more effective than the independents. We pay more because we are more successful than anyone else as a company and it’s the formula that we agreed to per BOD and C&BL.
07-02-2019, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
1.85% starts in 2020. I’m a little confused about all the teeth gnashing over the DPSP excess issue. There is no change to ALPA policy, none. The change is in the ability for the company to break it out via their payroll system and now ALPA can collect dues on what has always been considered duesable income. Does anyone think the timing of the companies ability to suddenly implement while we are in section 6 is suspect?
Either way all the outrage at Natl is misinformed and misguided. Want to change it? Read the Constitution and By-Laws on how. All there in black and white. Hint: it takes 2/3 of roll call delegate votes of the BOD, and DAL is not 2/3. Gotta build consensus. Back to Your regularly scheduled chest beating about how Delta pays more dues than anyone else so we get whatever we demand. Shame on the Reps who are too lazy to learn (which is their job) how policy works and feed the populist narrative.
I don’t like it either, and want to see it changed, but ours is truly a first world problem. I also see our strength as a Natl union is far more effective than the independents. We pay more because we are more successful than anyone else as a company and it’s the formula that we agreed to per BOD and C&BL.
Either way all the outrage at Natl is misinformed and misguided. Want to change it? Read the Constitution and By-Laws on how. All there in black and white. Hint: it takes 2/3 of roll call delegate votes of the BOD, and DAL is not 2/3. Gotta build consensus. Back to Your regularly scheduled chest beating about how Delta pays more dues than anyone else so we get whatever we demand. Shame on the Reps who are too lazy to learn (which is their job) how policy works and feed the populist narrative.
I don’t like it either, and want to see it changed, but ours is truly a first world problem. I also see our strength as a Natl union is far more effective than the independents. We pay more because we are more successful than anyone else as a company and it’s the formula that we agreed to per BOD and C&BL.
The optics are bad and ALPA does not need the money, but they will take it anyway. Disgusting.
07-02-2019, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Should be.
Goldbricker.
Goldbricker.
But as a note, you CAN cease paying dues on LTD, but you can't vote and if you come back, you have to pay all dues that would then be in arrears. Really only makes sense if you have a permanent loss of your medical, like a debilitating stroke or something.
07-02-2019, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
1.85% starts in 2020. I’m a little confused about all the teeth gnashing over the DPSP excess issue. There is no change to ALPA policy, none. The change is in the ability for the company to break it out via their payroll system and now ALPA can collect dues on what has always been considered duesable income. Does anyone think the timing of the companies ability to suddenly implement while we are in section 6 is suspect?
No teethnashing here. I know the policy hasn’t changed and that’s the problem. It hasn’t been an issue because it hasn’t actually been withheld until this year. The policy is flat out wrong and looks like a money grab by the Union.
Either way all the outrage at Natl is misinformed and misguided. Want to change it? Read the Constitution and By-Laws on how. All there in black and white. Hint: it takes 2/3 of roll call delegate votes of the BOD, and DAL is not 2/3. Gotta build consensus. Back to Your regularly scheduled chest beating about how Delta pays more dues than anyone else so we get whatever we demand. Shame on the Reps who are too lazy to learn (which is their job) how policy works and feed the populist narrative.
I don’t think it is misguided. Who can change the policy? National can. Have they? No. Who else does this policy effect? Virtually no group but Delta Pilots.
I don’t like it either, and want to see it changed, but ours is truly a first world problem. I also see our strength as a Natl union is far more effective than the independents. We pay more because we are more successful than anyone else as a company and it’s the formula that we agreed to per BOD and C&BL.
No teethnashing here. I know the policy hasn’t changed and that’s the problem. It hasn’t been an issue because it hasn’t actually been withheld until this year. The policy is flat out wrong and looks like a money grab by the Union.
Either way all the outrage at Natl is misinformed and misguided. Want to change it? Read the Constitution and By-Laws on how. All there in black and white. Hint: it takes 2/3 of roll call delegate votes of the BOD, and DAL is not 2/3. Gotta build consensus. Back to Your regularly scheduled chest beating about how Delta pays more dues than anyone else so we get whatever we demand. Shame on the Reps who are too lazy to learn (which is their job) how policy works and feed the populist narrative.
I don’t think it is misguided. Who can change the policy? National can. Have they? No. Who else does this policy effect? Virtually no group but Delta Pilots.
I don’t like it either, and want to see it changed, but ours is truly a first world problem. I also see our strength as a Natl union is far more effective than the independents. We pay more because we are more successful than anyone else as a company and it’s the formula that we agreed to per BOD and C&BL.
Effective how? I’m kinda on the fence about how effective our national union is. Let’s face it 95% of our interest should be focused on the Delta Pilot group. Not someone else. If our dues money went to an independent union, this could happen. $70 million/year in dues would pay for more than national can provide except maybe the PAC. I know, it’s a separate thing from dues.
I haven’t decided one way or the other yet but issues like this definitely push me towards thinking an independent union is the way to go.
I got a question for you. If by some chance DPA got the cards to call for a vote, how fast do you think National would bend over to accommodate issues like this for the Delta Pilots? I think it would be faster than you can say “BobZ your uncle!” (See what I did there!
) Right now National doesn’t have to lift a finger but if faced with the threat of losing $70 million a year, you can bet your arse that things would change. Denny
07-02-2019, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Should be.
Goldbricker.
Goldbricker.
Maybe you guys are pals and kidding...
You do know “gold bricker” means a con man. That’s a fairly serious allegation against a fellow Delta Pilot.
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