Delta Dropping Out of NRT
08-09-2019, 09:17 AM
#121
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The Delta website is incorrect. Would not be the first time. The A330-300 has a 6250 mile range. Strangely enough I fly it from JFK to TLV often and it’s the same distance as SEA to PVG. Never been close to flaming out. The base A330-900 gains another 500 miles. I also flew the 767-300ER JFK to TLV. Stopped for gas more than once on the return. No issues on the A330-300.
Even though I think the B787s would have been a much better fit... because it is smaller, has less seats and burns less. If we can't fill an airplane to HKG with decent yields with a B777 or an A330... I suspect we will struggle hard on markets like MNL, TPE etc which are non SkyTeam hubs- with big jets with close to 300 seats like the 330/350.
But those 40 additional A330/350s (mostly just A330s) coming has to fly somewhere. And the B767s are not being parked. I hope we won't see a nasty surprise with an updated B767 parking schedule anytime soon.
I am neither optimistic or pessimistic. This can go either way- depending on the management tactics and the economy and all I guess. I think we will find out in a year or so: if we will just be a skyteam hub airline... or if we will actually see some expansion into the secondary markets with those A330NEOs.
08-09-2019, 09:26 AM
#122
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Originally Posted by freightdogg
Good info... thanks. Maybe the A330 NEOs can eventually do some point to point flying in the Pacific markets.
Even though I think the B787s would have been a much better fit... because it is smaller, has less seats and burns less. If we can't fill an airplane to HKG with decent yields with a B777 or an A330... I suspect we will struggle hard on markets like MNL, TPE etc which are non SkyTeam hubs- with big jets with close to 300 seats like the 330/350.
But those 40 additional A330/350s (mostly just A330s) coming has to fly somewhere. And the B767s are not being parked. I hope we won't see a nasty surprise with an updated B767 parking schedule anytime soon.
I am neither optimistic or pessimistic. This can go either way- depending on the management tactics and the economy and all I guess. I think we will find out in a year or so: if we will just be a skyteam hub airline... or if we will actually see some expansion into the secondary markets with those A330NEOs.
Even though I think the B787s would have been a much better fit... because it is smaller, has less seats and burns less. If we can't fill an airplane to HKG with decent yields with a B777 or an A330... I suspect we will struggle hard on markets like MNL, TPE etc which are non SkyTeam hubs- with big jets with close to 300 seats like the 330/350.
But those 40 additional A330/350s (mostly just A330s) coming has to fly somewhere. And the B767s are not being parked. I hope we won't see a nasty surprise with an updated B767 parking schedule anytime soon.
I am neither optimistic or pessimistic. This can go either way- depending on the management tactics and the economy and all I guess. I think we will find out in a year or so: if we will just be a skyteam hub airline... or if we will actually see some expansion into the secondary markets with those A330NEOs.
08-09-2019, 09:27 AM
#123
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Originally Posted by Trip7
I'll take that cold drink bet.
777s will be replaced by another A220 order
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777s will be replaced by another A220 order
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Fixed it for you.....
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08-09-2019, 01:10 PM
#124
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
As the transcon market heats up it would not surprise me to see more domestic 767 flying. A two aisle 767 with a new interior would be hard to compete against by single aisle airlines.
08-09-2019, 01:58 PM
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08-09-2019, 07:12 PM
#126
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I thought there was a plan, even with public comments, a few years ago to take an unspecified number of 76ER and reconfigure them for domestic. Could swear I remember reading that. Suppose that's DOA now.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
As the transcon market heats up it would not surprise me to see more domestic 767 flying. A two aisle 767 with a new interior would be hard to compete against by single aisle airlines.
08-10-2019, 08:03 AM
#127
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
As the transcon market heats up it would not surprise me to see more domestic 767 flying. A two aisle 767 with a new interior would be hard to compete against by single aisle airlines.
08-10-2019, 08:25 AM
#128
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Especially at flat out dumping prices for premium seats. And just wait til international gets ramped up. If we aren't able to question the performance metric by any means bonus based compensation we'll be in for a rude awakening once the next gen predatory competition heats up. We're not talking 5-10% off. More like half to 3/4 off, coupled with infinite growth on their terms looking at our route map like a menu. Hopefully we have a plan, and not just keep those numbers up in the short term and enable the cancer to grow.
Delta One: 2400-2800
JetBlue Mint: 2469
08-10-2019, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by FogSkier
I’m not disagreeing that LCC are a threat. I don’t disagree that they do do fire sales from time to time but I just wanted to see a comparison. I checked LAX-JFK round trip aug 26-30.
Delta One: 2400-2800
JetBlue Mint: 2469
Delta One: 2400-2800
JetBlue Mint: 2469
They have openly bragged about their plans not being about small discounts over prevailing rates, but rather massive devastations of the prevailing fares.
The RASM/CASM/YoY B School bonus factory crowd needs to nip this in the bud but that will require short-medium term hits to the bottom line. The alternative is to guarantee massive perpetual hits to the medium-log term bottom line. But to many in the business world, that's "tomorrow guy's" problem.
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