I do but it’s getting harder to believe management. After this summer, I feel like I’ve been in a bad relationship. I’m emotionally and physically drained. I hope I’m wrong but all those briefs seemed eerily similar to the sunshine military leaders tried to pass off when I was in the service. The way they treated us this summer made me totally reject the Delta “family” nonsense. It’s a joke. 6 billion dollars and this is how we treat people. Then say, oops we pushed too hard. No, we pushed back and they realized they had a mutiny on their hands. I’m rambling but I know I’m not the only one who feels this way.

Current flight student here working on instrument so I'm pretty "out of the loop" with company stuff.... What happened last summer?

Start here.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/d...-red-line.html

Emotionally and physically drained? How many hours were you flying a month? Were you getting assigned trips? Did you use all your contractual options to reduce the flying.

Gotta make a living man. Tough to drop trips when there is no coverage and you burned your APD and have no vacation left. So no, I wasn’t able and need to put food on the table. Spare me your lecture Dad.

Any Greenslips? Scrolling through the ATL 320B awards did not show anything super bad. Good stuff went senior but lots of not bad lines going fairly junior.

Nope. Want to be home. I see what you’re getting at. I’m an ATL320B. Look up the ALVs. I did lots of east coast flying (my fault as I want FL layovers). I made more money on reroutes and NYC BS. There was no need for GS even if I wanted to.

Bury your head in the sand if you want but at least admit this summer was absurd. I hope they fix stuff because if it repeats itself I fear a lot of pilots’ goodwill for the family company went bye bye. And that’s unfortunate. Platitudes and apologies won’t fix it. Only actions. And at this point I’m cautious.

My assigned trips were fine. It was the constant reroutes that killed my summer.

I agree with you that the company pushed too hard this summer but Plenty of guys worked their schedules for max time off. Our vacation value is industry lagging by a lot, but I think our scheduling flexibility is awesome. At about 70% in category I was able to stretch 2 weeks of vacation into over 30 days off spanning July and August.

Yes I missed the GS fest which I would have loved to participate in, but I really enjoy my summer vacations and have no plans to change.

Were you IA’d, were you greenslipping, or did you just fly your PBS awarded schedule? I agree that it sucks when can not change your schedule and if you were IA’d that really sucks, but I really don’t have much sympathy for guys complaining about the tempo while flying GS’s.

What really bugs me is the BS reserves required reserves available formula. I get that July and August are restricted but how can October be mostly negative? I am also curious about how all the GS’s will affect the manning formula going forward? It seems to me that this past summer record number of GSs would trigger the manning formula.

So I agree that we need to make a lot of contractual gains regarding scheduling and QOL issues but we do currently have a bunch of tools that can be used to mitigate getting abused.

Scoop

well there would have been even more green slips, especially in the NYC 320A if they didnt fly all the reserve Capts up over 80 to 90 hours for 5 months! But there is NO shortage ....riiiiggghhttt!