Delta Expands International flying
 

Announcement up on DeltaNet. Big service increases in BOS and JFK. With the return of the 767-400 from cabin refresh all flights over 6.5 hours will have premium Delta One service. Looks like there's a good reason they need 1500 new hires

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Now lets see how close to that 1,500 number they actually get.

Not holding my breath. They have already contradicted themselves in emails. It’s all smoke and mirrors.

Good news , especially since it's with delta metal.

Whats the over/under that we won't hit 1000 new hires ??

Um, 999?



Filler

I’ll take the under

Well since you did not specify a time range I am going to go with the over. :D

Scoop

Aside from the current understaffed situation, and mounting retirements?

Smoke and mirrors that produced just a tic under 5000 new hires since the start of 2014. I sure hope we keep getting that smoke!

I’m convinced many of you don’t even want to hear good news. I wonder why that is.

I do but it’s getting harder to believe management. After this summer, I feel like I’ve been in a bad relationship. I’m emotionally and physically drained. I hope I’m wrong but all those briefs seemed eerily similar to the sunshine military leaders tried to pass off when I was in the service. The way they treated us this summer made me totally reject the Delta “family” nonsense. It’s a joke. 6 billion dollars and this is how we treat people. Then say, oops we pushed too hard. No, we pushed back and they realized they had a mutiny on their hands. I’m rambling but I know I’m not the only one who feels this way.

Current flight student here working on instrument so I'm pretty "out of the loop" with company stuff.... What happened last summer?

Start here.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/d...-red-line.html

Emotionally and physically drained? How many hours were you flying a month? Were you getting assigned trips? Did you use all your contractual options to reduce the flying.

Gotta make a living man. Tough to drop trips when there is no coverage and you burned your APD and have no vacation left. So no, I wasn’t able and need to put food on the table. Spare me your lecture Dad.

Any Greenslips? Scrolling through the ATL 320B awards did not show anything super bad. Good stuff went senior but lots of not bad lines going fairly junior.

Nope. Want to be home. I see what you’re getting at. I’m an ATL320B. Look up the ALVs. I did lots of east coast flying (my fault as I want FL layovers). I made more money on reroutes and NYC BS. There was no need for GS even if I wanted to.

Bury your head in the sand if you want but at least admit this summer was absurd. I hope they fix stuff because if it repeats itself I fear a lot of pilots’ goodwill for the family company went bye bye. And that’s unfortunate. Platitudes and apologies won’t fix it. Only actions. And at this point I’m cautious.

My assigned trips were fine. It was the constant reroutes that killed my summer.

I agree with you that the company pushed too hard this summer but Plenty of guys worked their schedules for max time off. Our vacation value is industry lagging by a lot, but I think our scheduling flexibility is awesome. At about 70% in category I was able to stretch 2 weeks of vacation into over 30 days off spanning July and August.

Yes I missed the GS fest which I would have loved to participate in, but I really enjoy my summer vacations and have no plans to change.

Were you IA’d, were you greenslipping, or did you just fly your PBS awarded schedule? I agree that it sucks when can not change your schedule and if you were IA’d that really sucks, but I really don’t have much sympathy for guys complaining about the tempo while flying GS’s.

What really bugs me is the BS reserves required reserves available formula. I get that July and August are restricted but how can October be mostly negative? I am also curious about how all the GS’s will affect the manning formula going forward? It seems to me that this past summer record number of GSs would trigger the manning formula.

So I agree that we need to make a lot of contractual gains regarding scheduling and QOL issues but we do currently have a bunch of tools that can be used to mitigate getting abused.

Scoop

well there would have been even more green slips, especially in the NYC 320A if they didnt fly all the reserve Capts up over 80 to 90 hours for 5 months! But there is NO shortage ....riiiiggghhttt!

Is this new flying or just a re-shuffling of other flying?

Probably additional given that aircraft coming out of mods.

We also are getting 1 more A330 this year and 7 next year.
Edit: Plus 2 A350’s

My info says it's a reshuffling. :confused: TIFWIW

Give us the rest of the info. Reshuffling from where?

Didn’t say and I didn’t ask. I’ll see if I can get a refined answer.

Given the new airframes coming online ahead of schedule and the acceleration of the 767-400 mods it makes little sense that it’s a reshuffling. Delta historically purchases airframes for routes. Other airlines purchase airframes and then look for routes. Our approach so far seems much better.

I guess you can call it reshuffling when 767s replaced by 330neo in the Pacific are sent to the Transatlantic. Also with the cabin refresh complete the 764 will return a significant amount of the transcon flying back to international.

Big picture it looks like the reshuffling/growth they are doing will result in more Int'l widebody and transatlantic atlantic 757 block hours.

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This probably explains the increased need for airframes:
In a bid to expand its footprint in Europe, Delta Air Lines DAL announced plans to introduce more flights connecting the United States and Europe next year.

Apart from strengthening its global footprint, introduction of additional flights should find favor among passengers as it will boost connectivity between the United States and European destinations. For this purpose, the carrier aims to add 780,000 seats in 2020.

In another customer-friendly move, Delta stated that passengers on all trans-Atlantic flights exceeding six and a half hours will enjoy the premium Delta One experience from 2020.

Backed by these initiatives, the company should attract substantial traffic on the new routes, which in turn is likely to bolster its top line.

About the Plan

Delta aims to operate four additional trans-Atlantic flights from Boston next year as part of its expansion plan (transatlantic capacity is expected to be expanded more than 30% next year). This will include new seasonal (summer: May 21-Sep 7) service to Rome, introduction of a second daily flight to Paris apart from additional flights to London-Gatwick and Manchester from Boston. Delta will utilize Boeing 767 aircraft to fly to Paris, effective May 21.

Meanwhile, for the year-round Boston to London-Gatwick and seasonal Boston to Manchester flights (both operational from May 21), Delta will utilize Boeing 757 jets. Delta also intends to extend the current seasonal service between Boston and Edinburgh and Lisbon from May 21, 2020.

Additionally, from Mar 28, 2020, Delta will start operating new daytime year-round flights from New York to London-Heathrow, utilizing Boeing 767 jets. Moreover, as part of the massive expansion (double-digit growth) in international operations from New York’s JFK Airport, Delta aims to operate twice-daily, year-round Tel Aviv flights.

As part of its New York-JFK schedule expansion, this Atlanta, GA-based carrier aims to start new service to Mumbai and Bogota from December this year. Furthermore, the carrier intends to increase the availability of its seasonal service from JFK to European destinations like Athens, Copenhagen and Berlin from 2020.

Delta stated that as part of the expansion plan, the current seasonal service between its hub at Salt Lake City International Airport and London-Heathrow will become year-round from Dec 19, this year. Also, the operating season between Tampa and Amsterdam will be extended in 2020.

Finally! Here's the link. Hope this helps maintain SCOPE compliance.

https://news.delta.com/delta-continu...trans-atlantic

Is Copahagen a new destination or have we always done that in the Summer?

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We used to fly it out of ATL, along with a whole host of other cities. A lot of this "new" service is actually stuff we used to fly. Some, like BOS-FCO truly is new, and much welcomed.

First of all, with additional 330s, I believe there is expansion going on but as far as the 767-400s go.......where were they flying before they went into modifications? Did we still fly to those destinations or were there some that were dropped and now are coming back?

Denny

Expanded service should mean expanded positions flying those WBs. I haven't seen any AE that was better than neutral when it comes to WB flying.

We flew JFK/CPH years ago. Nothing new.

I guess it’s all relative. We use to fly Budapest, Bucharest, Amman, Cairo, New Delhi, Mumbai, Kiev, Moscow, St Petersburg....the list goes on and on. We also use to have a hub in Frankfurt. What about Palau, Guam, Saipan, Osaka, Nagoya, Bangkok, Hong Kong, Hanoi ?

So, if we started flying all those routes ....and the many others that I didn’t list, your comment would be....nothing new( the insinuation being that it’s not “growth”.....nothing more than a re-capture of status quo)?

We still might have some Pan Am guys here.....using your metric, if we picked up round-the-world flights, it would be “Nothing new”?

At the expense of being called an out of touch company cheerleader, I’ll just say.....”It’s good, I’m glad to see the—————!”

Well - the 767-400 did a lot of London a few years ago. Right now, LHR being done with a lot of A330-200s (DTW 2x a day, JFK, Boston) Some of those planes came from DTW-Beijing and DTW-Sao Paulo (Beijing one went to the A350, Sao Paulo was cancelled)

So I'd say that the 767-400 is going back to it's old flying, we'll see what the -200s do next.

I think the angst (if you'd call it that) is that the press release sounds like "New Exciting Service at Delta" where as people who remember are like, "oh, we used to do that.. and that.. and that one..." so it's not growth - just reshuffling of the existing jets. Because when JFK-CPH was cancelled, that plane went somewhere else, we didn't sell it - and the pilots just flew the new route. Now it's back to being flown, so the plane is coming from another market, with the same pilots switching routes. It's not growth is what people are getting at.

Ok. That’s some pretzel logic there but, how about we call it a “resumption of service?”

The crux of the whole “argument” is not the semantics of what it’s called. The meat of the matter is, “Is international flying increasing, decreasing, or stagnant” ?

The answer is....it depends upon what your metric/time frame is

From where I started it increased from a new hire, prolly decreased after Pan Am merger hey-day, increased prior to bankruptcy, decreased after the DL/NW merger........and now increasing from about 2015. Like I said....to me it’s relative.....but (the good news) is that Delta is increasing international airframes, which I applaud.