Originally Posted by saturn (Post 2894398)

https://ir.delta.com/events-and-pres...l/default.aspx



An investor call was conducted this morning to discuss LATAM JV. Highlights:



We receive the first 2 A350s at the end of 2020. No further timeline for the remaining 12 except sometime between 2021-2025. Ed made comments that suggested our current 15 firm was too small of a fleet. Sounds like we are still open in our search for WB renewal, to both Boeing/Airbus.



We will use debt for nearly all of the 1.9b purchase. On-top of that, 350m to ease LATAMs transition will be spread out over years.



Our current flying ratio between US-LATAM is 30%/70%. Will be interesting addition/ complication to our scope negotiations. Mentioned several times that the JV will help grow Aeromexico.

Originally Posted by BigHitterLlama (Post 2894366)

Thanks for the correction. So change all my questions about -1000 to -900ULR...

Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2894434)

The -900ULR only gains the "ULR" designation when the fwd cargo bin has been deactivated and when you significantly reduce seating capacity. Singapore's ULR has 161 seats versus our 306 seats which is how they do SIN-EWR. Overall, our B777-200LRs are way more capable.

Originally Posted by DELTAFO (Post 2894459)

777LR fuel quantity: 47,890 gallons
A350 fuel quantity: 37,170 gallons

which equals a lot more range for the 777LR

Originally Posted by DELTAFO (Post 2894459)

777LR fuel quantity: 47,890 gallons
A350 fuel quantity: 37,170 gallons

which equals a lot more range for the 777LR

Originally Posted by DELTAFO (Post 2894459)

777LR fuel quantity: 47,890 gallons
A350 fuel quantity: 37,170 gallons

which equals a lot more range for the 777LR

Originally Posted by 20Fathoms (Post 2894478)

The LR really is a pretty unique bird and the addition of Mumbai flying has made it even more indispensable. I know they tried to put the A350 on Sydney but ended up not doing it. Like others have said, our ERs could easily be replaced by A350s but that would leave a fleet of only 10 aircraft. Has Delta ever had an orphan fleet that small?

Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2894492)

Don't fly either, so I can verify, but guys on the other forum quoted the following mid flight fuel burns numbers.

777 = 8,000 pph
350 = 6,000-6,500 pph

Originally Posted by 20Fathoms (Post 2894478)

The LR really is a pretty unique bird and the addition of Mumbai flying has made it even more indispensable. I know they tried to put the A350 on Sydney but ended up not doing it. Like others have said, our ERs could easily be replaced by A350s but that would leave a fleet of only 10 aircraft. Has Delta ever had an orphan fleet that small?

Originally Posted by badflaps (Post 2894588)

Ya, the early 747's and a few years with 5 DC-10s. (1011 place holder)

Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 2894313)

I love that we have a deal nobody heard a whisper about, but people still trust the whispers about 787.

14 more 350s? This is good for the 787!

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2894630)

There were whispers of good things coming. I posted that on here in early August.

Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 2894746)

If I had a nickel for every “good things are coming” rumor in aviation...

Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 2894471)

according to wikipedia the ULR has a 44,000 gal fuel capacity. airbus press release matches this #

Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 2894313)

I love that we have a deal nobody heard a whisper about, but people still trust the whispers about 787.



14 more 350s? This is good for the 787!

Originally Posted by DELTAFO (Post 2894768)

They turned a cargo bin into a fuel tank to get that capacity.

Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2894784)

Oddly, they didn't. They just used more space in the existing wing tanks to cram in an extra 7,000 gallons or so.

I'm told Delta's problem isn't fuel capacity though....it's a max gross weight issue. The payload optimized flights leave with the ability to carry an extra 30-40K in fuel but can't because they are taxiing out at Max Gross Weight.

Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2894492)

Don't fly either, so I can verify, but guys on the other forum quoted the following mid flight fuel burns numbers.

777 = 8,000 pph
350 = 6,000-6,500 pph

Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 2894815)

That's low for the 777, 767 is 12k an hour. Fuel and thrust aren't a problem on the 777LR.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2894630)

There were whispers of good things coming. I posted that on here in early August.

Originally Posted by BigHitterLlama (Post 2894789)

Sorry for not doing my research but I’m watching a ballet class and wrangling a 3 year old at the same time. Is this addressed by the PIP? Doesn’t that include an increased max gross weight? I thought I remember reading that on here.

Originally Posted by FL370esq (Post 2894835)

Yikes! Sounds like the next event for Tokyo 2020.

I think our last -900 was delivered with "the PIP" which gave it an extra 10K or so increase in takeoff GW. ULR is a separate beast.

Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2894772)

I'm guessing due to the relationship between Delta/GOL and AA/LATAM this type of deal needed to be top top secret. If AA got word of what was happening they could have reacted. On the other hand employee rumors about us getting the A220 or A350/A330neo before it happened have little impact on strategic airline partnerships. That's why I believe the 787 is heading to Delta soon. k

Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 2894861)

Bastion quote from the other day “Well, we certainly have long-term needs for a wide-body aircraft. And as we've been very public, we've looked at whether we're going to continue to expand our A350 fleet or our Boeing fleet. This gives us an opportunity to expand the A350 fleet, which we have a relatively subscale amount of it, 15, today and it's right in line with our expectations.”



Certainly sounds like we are all in with Airbus.

Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2894975)

Good points. A350 fleet has now been expanded so Delta no longer has 2 small subfleets of widebodies. Now the big question is, with the retirement of the ER imminent, will Delta continue to go all Airbus? IMO, I don't think they will remain dependent on a single manufacturer for widebodies and a large 787 order will be placed within the next 6 months

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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2894975)

Good points. A350 fleet has now been expanded so Delta no longer has 2 small subfleets of widebodies. Now the big question is, with the retirement of the ER imminent, will Delta continue to go all Airbus? IMO, I don't think they will remain dependent on a single manufacturer for widebodies and a large 787 order will be placed within the next 6 months

Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 2894983)

Hope you’re right.....I don’t really want to fly the bus.

Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2894818)

Multiply the numbers by two. ;)

Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 2894826)

Is this what you were talking about, SF? Is this what the whisperers were talking about? Were you aware of this deal, or were you just hearing that some exciting changes were coming?

Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2894988)

You against flying in comfort? :D

Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 2895227)

I’ve deadheaded on the 330. Went up and checked out the cockpit. Also got a chance to fly a 350 sim for a few minutes. It’s nice. I just think going to an Airbus would be a hard transition at my age.

Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 2895227)

I’ve deadheaded on the 330. Went up and checked out the cockpit. Also got a chance to fly a 350 sim for a few minutes. It’s nice. I just think going to an Airbus would be a hard transition at my age.