Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2893572)

Sailing

In addition to those 330s and 350s, how many other deliveries are scheduled in 2020?

And 2021?

Thanks

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 2893390)

Not really a fair comparison when you consider that the United States has approximately four times the population spread over approximately 15 times the land area vs the Netherlands and France combined.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2893586)

The link I had is not working. Here is what I posted before. These numbers may change again soon. Perhaps another type!

This is the updated schedule as of 15 Aug. We will now have 23 A330-900 aircraft on the property by the end of the 2nd quarter 2022 plus two more A350’s. I was mistaken that the two new incremental aircraft were A330-300’s from WOW. They are new A330-900’s from a lessor. We get 7 next year vice 4 planned.

Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 2893612)

The whole open skies agreement isn’t fair. You're making my point for me. We give them access to our country, and get access to theirs. We give more than 4x what we get. It becomes slightly more fair because I believe the open skies agreement covers the entire EU, but a joint venture agreement with KLM/AF, gives them way more than we get right out of the box. That’s why the production balance is so critical.



And to the poster who said they’d rather ten flights to AMS than serving 8 other cities, if you’re saying 10>8 so it’s better, I’ll buy that. But when you find yourself laying over in Paris, 3-4 times a week, every week, and enduring that long @$$ bus ride every morning on arrival, you’ve officially taken all the fun out of international flying.



AMS is much better than CDG or LHR in my opinion, and if that’s how Delta can make the most money, I’m not complaining, but the variety of destinations made International flying a lot of fun not too long ago. If we can hold on to some of the variety, while focusing on our JV partner hubs, I’d be ok with that.

Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 2893612)

And to the poster who said they’d rather ten flights to AMS than serving 8 other cities, if you’re saying 10>8 so it’s better, I’ll buy that. But when you find yourself laying over in Paris, 3-4 times a week, every week, and enduring that long @$$ bus ride every morning on arrival, you’ve officially taken all the fun out of international flying.

Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 2893612)

AMS is much better than CDG or LHR in my opinion, and if that’s how Delta can make the most money, I’m not complaining, but the variety of destinations made International flying a lot of fun not too long ago. If we can hold on to some of the variety, while focusing on our JV partner hubs, I’d be ok with that.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 2893574)

Looks like in 2020 we have a net gain of 100 pilots by June 1st for summer flying.

Do we still have 88 different categories? This would be a net gain of 1.4 pilots per category?

How many additional aircraft by June 2020?

Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 2893855)

I guess we're going with more A350s...

Originally Posted by Two Kings (Post 2893858)

So much for the rumors the company was disappointed with the 350.

Originally Posted by 53x11 (Post 2893898)

I think maybe the 14 we are getting with this deal are the A350-1000’s. Only reason I think that is LATAM has(had) 14 of them ordered and yet to be delivered. I could be wrong, just guessing.

Originally Posted by 53x11 (Post 2893898)

I think maybe the 14 we are getting with this deal are the A350-1000’s. Only reason I think that is LATAM has(had) 14 of them ordered and yet to be delivered. I could be wrong, just guessing.

Originally Posted by MJP27 (Post 2893857)

Looks that way. Say goodbye to the 777

Originally Posted by StartngOvr (Post 2893994)

That’s probably a good bet. Not a fleet expansion, rather fleet consolidation.


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Originally Posted by Han Solo (Post 2893904)

Just got the the union email and they said 4 aircraft and 10 firm orders. Article on Deltanet estimates 12-24 months for government approval for a possible 2020 1st delivery.

Originally Posted by BigHitterLlama (Post 2894148)

How many 777LR do we have and how many 350 options plus LATAM -1000..?

Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2894157)

Key quotes from Ed's Memo:

"The transformative partnership, building on our existing relationship with Aeromexico, will drive growth on Delta metal throughout the region for decades to come."

"It will vastly expand our ability to serve customers flying to, from and throughout the Americas, and generate opportunities for our people for the long term."

To me, Delta is taking the approach they did in 2012 that grew domestic mainline metal sustainably and applying it to international. I think the 14 A350s will be all growth no replacements due to this partnership. I think the 787 order may still be coming as part growth and part 777/765/7ER replacement. These JVs will allow Delta to continue to upgauge our Widebody RJs(767s) into a massive premium widebody fleet

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2894151)

We have 2 deliveries this Spring and 10 on order. Add in the LATAM aircraft and 26 total.

Originally Posted by BigHitterLlama (Post 2894194)

10 deferred plus 5(?) of LATAMs 350 are -1000? Would they replace our LR 777 with 15 350-1000 potentially?

Originally Posted by BigHitterLlama (Post 2894194)

10 deferred plus 5(?) of LATAMs 350 are -1000? Would they replace our LR 777 with 15 350-1000 potentially?

Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 2894157)

Key quotes from Ed's Memo:

"The transformative partnership, building on our existing relationship with Aeromexico, will drive growth on Delta metal throughout the region for decades to come."

"It will vastly expand our ability to serve customers flying to, from and throughout the Americas, and generate opportunities for our people for the long term."

To me, Delta is taking the approach they did in 2012 that grew domestic mainline metal sustainably and applying it to international. I think the 14 A350s will be all growth no replacements due to this partnership. I think the 787 order may still be coming as part growth and part 777/765/7ER replacement. These JVs will allow Delta to continue to upgauge our Widebody RJs(767s) into a massive premium widebody fleet

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Originally Posted by Scooter432 (Post 2894257)

Lots going on behind the scenes. Opinion only, but the 787 is still in play. These 350 make perfect business sense to get quick deliveries and save significantly on the equipment. Even though the 350 isn’t optimal for the deal it’s absolutely worth bringing them on. We need the metal now.. even with a Boeing order it would be some time before the first planes would show up. This helps us tremendously in the short term with our growth plans.

There is going to be some streamlining of the Delta WB fleet. By the end of the year it should appear evident which way we going strategy wise with our long haul fleet compliment.

Overall extremely positive news for all of us. The upcoming AE will provide significant movement and only increase in the next few years.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2894308)

The 787 is still in play.

Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 2894313)

I love that we have a deal nobody heard a whisper about, but people still trust the whispers about 787.

14 more 350s? This is good for the 787!

Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 2894342)

I was thinking the same thing. This pilot group is obsessed with the 787!!

Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2894227)

The A350-1000 is comparable to the 777-300ER it doesn't even come close to the range of the 777-200LR. It is just a larger version of the -900 with similar range. The A350-900ULR is the only current "replacement" for the 777-200LR.

https://www.aviatorjoe.net/go/compar...900/A350-1000/

https://www.aviatorjoe.net/go/compar...ner/A350-1000/

https://www.aviatorjoe.net/go/compar...iner/A350-900/

https://www.aviatorjoe.net/go/compar...r/A350-900ULR/