Is Copahagen a new destination or have we always done that in the Summer?

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We used to fly it out of ATL, along with a whole host of other cities. A lot of this "new" service is actually stuff we used to fly. Some, like BOS-FCO truly is new, and much welcomed.

First of all, with additional 330s, I believe there is expansion going on but as far as the 767-400s go.......where were they flying before they went into modifications? Did we still fly to those destinations or were there some that were dropped and now are coming back?

Denny

Expanded service should mean expanded positions flying those WBs. I haven't seen any AE that was better than neutral when it comes to WB flying.

We flew JFK/CPH years ago. Nothing new.

I guess it’s all relative. We use to fly Budapest, Bucharest, Amman, Cairo, New Delhi, Mumbai, Kiev, Moscow, St Petersburg....the list goes on and on. We also use to have a hub in Frankfurt. What about Palau, Guam, Saipan, Osaka, Nagoya, Bangkok, Hong Kong, Hanoi ?

So, if we started flying all those routes ....and the many others that I didn’t list, your comment would be....nothing new( the insinuation being that it’s not “growth”.....nothing more than a re-capture of status quo)?

We still might have some Pan Am guys here.....using your metric, if we picked up round-the-world flights, it would be “Nothing new”?

At the expense of being called an out of touch company cheerleader, I’ll just say.....”It’s good, I’m glad to see the—————!”

Well - the 767-400 did a lot of London a few years ago. Right now, LHR being done with a lot of A330-200s (DTW 2x a day, JFK, Boston) Some of those planes came from DTW-Beijing and DTW-Sao Paulo (Beijing one went to the A350, Sao Paulo was cancelled)

So I'd say that the 767-400 is going back to it's old flying, we'll see what the -200s do next.

I think the angst (if you'd call it that) is that the press release sounds like "New Exciting Service at Delta" where as people who remember are like, "oh, we used to do that.. and that.. and that one..." so it's not growth - just reshuffling of the existing jets. Because when JFK-CPH was cancelled, that plane went somewhere else, we didn't sell it - and the pilots just flew the new route. Now it's back to being flown, so the plane is coming from another market, with the same pilots switching routes. It's not growth is what people are getting at.

Ok. That’s some pretzel logic there but, how about we call it a “resumption of service?”

The crux of the whole “argument” is not the semantics of what it’s called. The meat of the matter is, “Is international flying increasing, decreasing, or stagnant” ?

The answer is....it depends upon what your metric/time frame is

From where I started it increased from a new hire, prolly decreased after Pan Am merger hey-day, increased prior to bankruptcy, decreased after the DL/NW merger........and now increasing from about 2015. Like I said....to me it’s relative.....but (the good news) is that Delta is increasing international airframes, which I applaud.