MEC Brief
12-13-2019 | 07:19 AM
#21
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While I rarely fly GS I hope you acknowledge that premium pay duty periods actually do go into the contractual staffing formula?
Also I honestly don't know what the ideal staffing approach is. I can tell you that in overmanned categories I've heard pilots complain "ain't nuttin' in open time!" Company cannot win with some guys. Staffing such that zero GS are passed out even in the busy summer months is never going to happen, nor should it.
On the other hand last summer was a bit extreme.
Also I honestly don't know what the ideal staffing approach is. I can tell you that in overmanned categories I've heard pilots complain "ain't nuttin' in open time!" Company cannot win with some guys. Staffing such that zero GS are passed out even in the busy summer months is never going to happen, nor should it.
On the other hand last summer was a bit extreme.
12-13-2019 | 07:22 AM
#22
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While I rarely fly GS I hope you acknowledge that premium pay duty periods actually do go into the contractual staffing formula?
Also I honestly don't know what the ideal staffing approach is. I can tell you that in overmanned categories I've heard pilots complain "ain't nuttin' in open time!" Company cannot win with some guys. Staffing such that zero GS are passed out even in the busy summer months is never going to happen, nor should it.
Also I honestly don't know what the ideal staffing approach is. I can tell you that in overmanned categories I've heard pilots complain "ain't nuttin' in open time!" Company cannot win with some guys. Staffing such that zero GS are passed out even in the busy summer months is never going to happen, nor should it.
12-13-2019 | 07:37 AM
#24
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I don't see this as a war, it's more both parties are starting realize a change needs to occur or next summer will be much worse. I personally believe even if they can get 1000 pilots trained by March they will still have a "hot" summer operation.
They have 1000's of guys who have been flying Delta lift at the regionals with more than enough experience. This is who could fill the void and train quickly and be less of a strain on the training department than OAL hires. There is a reason for American and United flows.
Delta will have to come up with their own flow synonym. Let's call it Regional Percolation. News is management is coming back to the table with Endeavor Air about this very topic next week.
They have 1000's of guys who have been flying Delta lift at the regionals with more than enough experience. This is who could fill the void and train quickly and be less of a strain on the training department than OAL hires. There is a reason for American and United flows.
Delta will have to come up with their own flow synonym. Let's call it Regional Percolation. News is management is coming back to the table with Endeavor Air about this very topic next week.
I know, I think all regionals should go away and those pilots should join mainline, but the numbers don't add up according to the guys on the 4th floor.
No matter where the pilots come from the training footprint is essentially the same. I mean maybe a straight mil guy or corporate needs a few more hours of OE to adjust to airline ops but that's about it. We could sign a flow agreement tomorrow and that wouldn't do a thing to solve our manning issues.
Last edited by Vincent Chase; 12-13-2019 at 07:38 AM. Reason: clarity
12-13-2019 | 07:55 AM
#25
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Maybe I'm reading too much into this but I think the timing of the letter (coming right after the negotiations update stating it won't be done by the new year) is important. It sounds like Dalpa is honoring the 1st rule of fight club and informing us that we are sometimes our own worst enemy.
Fly the contract. Fly rested. Fly safe!
Fly the contract. Fly rested. Fly safe!
12-13-2019 | 10:04 AM
#27
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While I rarely fly GS I hope you acknowledge that premium pay duty periods actually do go into the contractual staffing formula?
Also I honestly don't know what the ideal staffing approach is. I can tell you that in overmanned categories I've heard pilots complain "ain't nuttin' in open time!" Company cannot win with some guys. Staffing such that zero GS are passed out even in the busy summer months is never going to happen, nor should it.
On the other hand last summer was a bit extreme.
Also I honestly don't know what the ideal staffing approach is. I can tell you that in overmanned categories I've heard pilots complain "ain't nuttin' in open time!" Company cannot win with some guys. Staffing such that zero GS are passed out even in the busy summer months is never going to happen, nor should it.
On the other hand last summer was a bit extreme.
12-13-2019 | 10:59 AM
#28
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This all results from our flexibility to do marketing's bidding. We will always be incorrectly staffed when we are reacting to the markets short term changes. This is actually a good thing. More frequent AEs would go a long way toward getting it closer to right. The costs will be incurred either in GS/IA or in training. I prefer GSs but to rely as heavily on them as was done last summer is unsustainable.
Having one huge AE annually is like performing brain surgery with an axe.
12-13-2019 | 11:20 AM
#29
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Another excellent update out today on extensions. I knew mgmt was an outlier on the industry on extensions, but holy crap.
Btw... war on greenslips? Talk about a total lack of SA and just political hackers.
Btw... war on greenslips? Talk about a total lack of SA and just political hackers.
12-13-2019 | 11:38 AM
#30
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Now the update on extensions was a much better MEC Brief. Reasonable, concise, analytical and data driven. Much much better than the War on Greenslips rant. Would of been much better off with a detailed analysis on staffing trends, the optimizer, reroutes, and inverse assignment data.
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