According to the October 11, 2019 negotiating update, vacation was being discussed with the company. Did I miss an update where they retracted that statement?

At any rate - assuming vacation has been discussed and the current improvement in value is $28M for 14,500 pilots, that's a touch under $1950 per pilot. If we assume the average pilot makes 180 an hour, that comes out to an offer of a little over 2 vacation days (9.5ish hours) per pilot.

This assumes no improvements in tentatively agreed upon sections, 6, 15, 18, 19, 20, and 21. This also assumes no improvement offers on sections 5, 8, 13, 16, 22, and 24 which were being discussed in October.

Your example of selling a nice car is appropriate. I don't know you but I'd imagine you were a little insulted for having your time wasted, even if it was just a text message. I get why you're insulted by ALPA - I am too, but I think Delta's offer is a little more insulting.

Weren't both of these provisions written in with language saying either side could pull them down at any time for any reason? IANAL, but how is it bad faith to exercise an agreed upon provision in a contract? Does it reek of taking your ball and walking off the playground? Sure, but maturity has no place in contractual language, only the specific language with signatures at the bottom.

Agreed....and now we reap what we sow

Is it bad faith to shut something down within the agreed upon parameters? This is just pessimistic to be pessimistic.

If the company wants to keep this up while intending on running a redline operation book ended on good will from the pilots... a pastor I knew used to say “bless you and your ministry.”

You might have some validity except for the fact that the company for 2012 and 2015 and now has opened with the 19,000 offer. These are big boy negotiations... not a car.

^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

I think this just became my new baseline for contract improvements!

Any company that spends profits (or borrows $$$ for Zeus's sake!) just to purchase company stock is out of ideas. Or wants to inflate stock options that are typically reserved for the upper echelons of management compensation. Or both.

I'm not even unhappy with our current contract. That tag hit a nerve though. I'm going to steal that quote and hold onto it for the next couple of negotiating years.

Do you own an Apple or Microsoft product? Why don't you Google "Apple cash hoard" and perhaps "Apple stock buybacks" (or substitute Microsoft for either) and get back to me as to how Delta is uniquely evil in this realm. I think stock buybacks are useless, but Delta is far from an outlier.

Totally disagree. They have responded to us by by not negotiating in good faith with the agreed upon negotiating schedule.

Denny

Delta Mgmt requests mediator.
 

Is it bad faith to pull down a program in a contractually compliant fashion, especially when the VBs were past the trial period anyways?

And it certainly can’t be anymore bad faith than numerous scope and scheduling violations over the course of the current PWA...

Pessimistic indeed. Especially when the company blatantly violates numerous sections of the current PWA.

I don’t think their track record on good faith is any more rosy than the Union’s...