March 31st Townhall
 

-They started with a huge doses of gloom and doom by saying our revenue is basically $0 right now. When asked about the MRO revenues, increasing cargo flights, and American Express money. “We‘ll have to get back to you on that”.

-Wanted to correct “misinformation” from the MEC. No specifics thereafter on what exactly was misinformed. Went on to characterize the PAYROLL GRANT as more of a general cash infusion into the business, rather than a benefit specifically for labor. Said we are currently losing 5 Billion per quarter, and that the payroll grant would essentially wipe out all loses for 2nd quarter, then we are on our own. So, in their minds the payroll grant should be considered an item on the balance sheet who’s jobs is to cover all loses across the organization.

-But they saved the best for last. When asked why they aren’t doing SILs, they claimed it would only save 10 million per month and wasn’t worth upsetting the other 25,000 employees. So, the speculation is over, that’s why they pulled the SILs. No mention that the other employees would recoup close to 100% of their regular pay with federal/state unemployment and then return to work with no expectation to have work hours cut. American and United will eventually state how much SILs saved them and it will be at least 15 million/month.

-Granted the situation is not good right now, but seemed to be a very irritated tone. Patrick Burns seems to be the gold standard for updates right now. More “Dickson-esce”

-160 pilots have taken LOAs.

-Said they haven’t decided if they’re gonna take the government loan. American has already applied for 12 Billion.

That’s an accurate synopsis. :mad:

I can’t imagine they keep letting them do these videos.

Just wow.

The dishonesty about Federal grant money is flabbergasting. It’s not as if that info can’t be looked up.

This whole “unfairness” thing is maddening. It’s not “fair” because we’re different. For starters, we work under a contract, and they don’t. It actually is completely different, and there’s no point in making “fairness” comparisons.

******ing morons.
These people are scumbags.

The sad thing is that I know the vast majority of Delta pilots do not like the fact that right now America, United, JetBlue, etc.... have a cost advantage over us by offering SILs. Help me, Help you.

I would expect nothing less from The Buyback Gang.

Wow. Unbelievable. They actually implied, I think, that they would rather burn 10s of millions of dollars forgoing SILs than to be "unfair"? Did I catch that right?

I guess the 10 million dollars they could of saved with SIL’s was not a lot of money

he did seem a little agitated answering that question about the SIL's

I really didn’t think he was annoyed, just prepared for that question. At least it was honest, I’ll give him that. Devil’s advocate, based on his numbers the savings are only 0.2% of the 5 bil loss. Not saying it’s not worth it, just doing maths.

Good video for tactical issues but terrible for strategic. I came away with the impression they were still fumbling through the crisis and were hopeful to stumble on the right solution.

But antagonizing the pilot group (15000) and losing money while doing it is acceptable.

Maybe it's a little more complicated than we are giving them credit for. If they got 25000 employees to take NO money for a month, ...that probably saves Delta 100 million per month. That pay has been foisted upon the state and unemployment coverage. If the reports are correct on the forum that individuals can receive the same pay and it doesnt come from Delta coffers....GOOD. That leaves mo money for the rest of the employees. If those employees(who took LOA's) figure "screw it, things aren't fair , I'll just stay on the payroll" that hurts all of us.

I'm not making excuses for anything, but it is possible that more goes into this other than ...."mgt is stupid and they are poking us in the eye just because they can"..... "Im pizzed"

Omg! Quick givem 32% cut....we must save the pension

They chose to throw away 10 million dollars a month in savings, 20 million total for May & June + 10 million dollars any additional month.

Well, there ya go.

My Impressions:
Right now there is no plan, they have a group trying to figure out what the demand will be 6,12,18 months out.
They did say they expect international to return slower than domestic demand.
They did not answer most of the difficult questions.

They saved SILs for last with a pre-planned answer. The following is just my opinion.
My impression of the tone and demeanor of the answer was that they wanted to give us the message that SILs are a slap in the face to the rest of the employees in the company. The stern emotion displayed with the answer seemed a little forced to me. As in you are now forcing us to take other actions.

But if only 15K employees took the LOA because they offered pilot SIL's net net they would lose money

We dont know how many pilots would have taken them if offered. UAL culled 1500 less than offered. I get it, so you have convinced me. Now I'm pizzed too. But I am not only upset with mgt, but also with the MEC. They got totally outfoxed. Whey they didnt get the provisions of the SIL's nailed down was a totally rookie move!

I’ve been asking myself this since it happened. Do we have lawyers reviewing this stuff or just pilots? The weak wording left it open to the company to pull it away and there was nothing that could be done. Almost hard to be ****ed at the company when we (the MEC) agreed to the language.

Pocket change for the CEO.

Company is far more at fault than our Union. That is like blaming the gun instead of the shooter.

What should the MEC have done? Should they have negotiated hard amounts of SILs in each category that the company would be required to offer?

The difference between shall, will and may.

Exactly. The company would never agree to a hard amount. Minimum? Maybe, but that still takes away flexibility.

Even if it said “shall” offer SILs, the company could’ve offered 3 and been in compliance. Nothing changes the fact that the SIL language was negotiated on the basis of the company offering a substantial amount of them in what would’ve truly been a win/win scenario. They decided to welch on their end of the spirit of the deal. They anticipated a cost either way. It seems they underestimated the cost of the choice they made.

As has been pointed out before. The company probable that little ploy from the virtual base fiasco. Same, same, only different when the shoe is on the other foot

Except not at all, but sure


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Is this English?

Yea, you got me. Left out the word learned....but you prolly knew that. OMG!!!!!

Seems kinda like a ****ant complaint, but that's just me. Betcha a BUCK, that if you agreed with me you woulda overlooked it. You might find it humorous, I find it sad.....but still my bad, I shoulda proofed it better

AA management just yanked their equivalent of SILs for their pilot group.

As of right now the only rescinded short term leaves are for 737/320 for the month of April.

Some of your posts can be hard to decipher.

Not everyone reads the way you think. It's your prerogative to write that way. But sure, me trying to understand what on earth you were writing is apparently insulting.

Have a nice day too:rolleyes:

Not that it would do any good, but I already wrote both my senators and congressmen about the remarks of the grant money being a general cash infusion, etc. I’d suspect if Sen. John Kennedy heard those remarks today, he’d had gone off on a real hilarious tirade.

Yes dear....you too

Whatever dude.

yep, you get it. Should have just Said “will” offer SILs.

He said $10M a month but I bet it is closer to $35M if 4,000 people took them. Times 2 months. $70M for the quarter. $105M for Q3. It all counts and they are flushing money down the lav. Irresponsible during a fiscal crisis.

The contrast is they want us to shut down the APU and single engine taxi to save money.

Totes agree with you. Like I said, Devil’s Advocate. It’s absolutely absurd this went down the way it did. Not impressed with our leadership at all.

Nope...pretty easy still.

At the time the LOA was signed, no one knew what things would look like on 1 April, let alone May or June. If anything, maybe they allowed for the possibility that cases would level off and demand wouldn’t drop like it did.

I don’t blame the MEC. It wasn’t their call to say “yes, we are going to offer the SIL” only to change their mind the night before.

Great point. I think SILs would save 45M-50M/quarter. That’s a lot of money, and the beauty of SILs is that they do not require future recompense. Free-ing a pilot of work obligation IS the payoff. It’s cashing in on the inadvertent surplus.

This!!
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The company knew the circumstances. They made a calculated choice and won. We got played, plain and simple. As long as we learn from it going forward, I’m glad it happened. I don’t think the big plays have come out so we have bigger fights ahead. Better they know who they are dealing with has shifted. Also better we know who we are dealing with. Seems we always want to believe the best in them.