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El Peso 04-05-2020 06:34 AM

Last round effective in April had the following awards.

Early Outs: 616

Short Term Paid Leaves:

874 wide body/E190 pilots
37 CKA
600 A320/737

Next offering effective May 1st

Early outs: 640

Short term paid leave:

870 Wide body
67 CKA
2064 A320/737/E190

*Short term leaves are a combination of 1/3/6 months in duration.

El Peso 04-05-2020 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by MOTOJOE (Post 3024108)
So the big question for early retirements is... at AA if you take it, is 50 hours a month locked at current rate till you retire at 65 or does it fluctuate when the next cuts are pay, and maybe go away in BK? If the latter is the answer than it doesn’t seem good.

the pay rate is whatever it is April 1st. This LOA is part of the CBA. So although no one can ever guarantee that a CBA won’t change for the worse, it will have to be done by a bankruptcy judge.

Denny Crane 04-05-2020 06:46 AM

It sure seems like AA is taking the lead here and doing everything they can to reduce costs quickly. Delta on the other hand.........not so much......... Ya gotta wonder what is going thru Delta Managements mind at this point.

Denny

Hank Kingsley 04-05-2020 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 3024130)
It sure seems like AA is taking the lead here and doing everything they can to reduce costs quickly. Delta on the other hand.........not so much......... Ya gotta wonder what is going thru Delta Managements mind at this point.

Denny

What's going through their minds, same thing as that big Pratt on your wing. Air.

Grapple 04-05-2020 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 3024130)
It sure seems like AA is taking the lead here and doing everything they can to reduce costs quickly. Delta on the other hand.........not so much......... Ya gotta wonder what is going thru Delta Managements mind at this point.

Denny

It would appear that AA is making rational business decisions vs DAL's emotionally charged worries.

Hank Kingsley 04-05-2020 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by Grapple (Post 3024133)
It would appear that AA is making rational business decisions vs DAL's emotionally charged worries.

They see value in paid leaves for others, trying to break us.

MOTOJOE 04-05-2020 06:53 AM

Delta management is worried more about red carpets for first class entry than survival! They were so used to spending there pile of money on frivolous things that now when it comes to saving the airline they our at a loss.

4fans 04-05-2020 06:56 AM

Shouldn’t our kloa awards for May be published by now? Bidding for the month is open.

sailingfun 04-05-2020 07:05 AM


Originally Posted by MOTOJOE (Post 3024108)
So the big question for early retirements is... at AA if you take it, is 50 hours a month locked at current rate till you retire at 65 or does it fluctuate when the next cuts are pay, and maybe go away in BK? If the latter is the answer than it doesn’t seem good.

Anything can go away in bankruptcy. If AMR, UAL or DL want to force pilot concessions none of them need to file for reorganization. All 3 contracts are amendable.

Lifeisgood 04-05-2020 07:07 AM

It now has been more than a week ago, but when American first offered early retirement I bumped into one of their pilots who was taking the offer.
He said that the original wording of the offer as it came from AA management was a copy of “what Delta is offering to their pilots”.

I don’t know what to think about it. Maybe delta management discussed it behind closed doors and somehow it got out (among the top level brass of the industry) while it was yet never offered to Delta pilots?


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