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05-31-2020, 04:53 PM
#141
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
What really irks me is when I see “protesters” literally in the face of the police line, taunting them. Screaming God-knows-what at the top of their lungs. Their aim is to provoke a response, plain and simple. I have no doubt outside forces are being brought in to instigate this. Some of it is grassroots, some of it is outside (probably foreign) agitation.
And I have no sympathy for looters. No problem shooting them. That’s the way it’s been done for centuries.
— a progressive
And I have no sympathy for looters. No problem shooting them. That’s the way it’s been done for centuries.
— a progressive
I think we are heading towards a brink. I think you are right that this is being instigated. I don't know if it's Chinese, Russian, Iranian or all of the above. It does not seem organic.
I believe that we should forget about Trump and Nancy Pelosi for a couple of months and start acting like a country, because we are getting our a$$es handed to us.
I like democrats way more than I like Russians, Chinese, and Iranians
05-31-2020, 04:57 PM
#142
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Originally Posted by Firefighterpilo
I work very closely with the police in the states most dangerous city and this “over policing” is a fallacy. Police are deployed where the crimes are. It’s a symptom not the problem. I know it feels much better to blame racism for the over represented stats of young African Americans. But it doesn’t hold water. The same demographic is over represented in violent crime stats the world over.
After the BLM protest of 2015 our police said ok you win we will back off. Do you know what happened. Violent crime in these neighborhoods spiked out of control. Community activist have been asking for a return of police presence contrary to what the media and these thug protesters want you to believe.
Saying that cops over policing violent criminal demographics is like saying doctors focus to much on just the sick and not society as a whole.
I know your mind will not change via the internet but as someone intimately familiar with this area the narrative being spun is hurting the poor communities. All of our poor working class citizens want is a return of community policing to tamp down the violent spikes seen after the police bailed in response to BLM protests.
If you don’t believe me look at the crime stats for Chicago, Baltimore and St Louis. Pre 2015 and post 2015. All the BLM protest have accomplished is a increase of violent crimes being perpetrated in the most vulnerable neighborhoods due to police backing off for fear of “over policing”. The media and this narrative is hurting those it’s supposed to help.
After the BLM protest of 2015 our police said ok you win we will back off. Do you know what happened. Violent crime in these neighborhoods spiked out of control. Community activist have been asking for a return of police presence contrary to what the media and these thug protesters want you to believe.
Saying that cops over policing violent criminal demographics is like saying doctors focus to much on just the sick and not society as a whole.
I know your mind will not change via the internet but as someone intimately familiar with this area the narrative being spun is hurting the poor communities. All of our poor working class citizens want is a return of community policing to tamp down the violent spikes seen after the police bailed in response to BLM protests.
If you don’t believe me look at the crime stats for Chicago, Baltimore and St Louis. Pre 2015 and post 2015. All the BLM protest have accomplished is a increase of violent crimes being perpetrated in the most vulnerable neighborhoods due to police backing off for fear of “over policing”. The media and this narrative is hurting those it’s supposed to help.
05-31-2020, 06:54 PM
#143
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
How would you explain the race violence in the South in the 1950's and 60's at the hands of the police? Progressive enlightenment?
Go read something about wodrow wilson and his race policies
05-31-2020, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
I actually agree with you there, but my comment was directed at BobZ's delusion that all this police violence can all be traced back to "progressive enlightenment."
And there is nothing enlightening about progressive philosophy. It is a dark evil path that leads to tyranny.
05-31-2020, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BobZ
The progressives have always resided in the democrat party.
Go read something about wodrow wilson and his race policies
Go read something about wodrow wilson and his race policies
Simple question: Were the racist police policies in the 1960’s Deep South progressive?
Or were they conservative?
05-31-2020, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BobZ
Dont put words or meaning in my mouth.
And there is nothing enlightening about progressive philosophy. It is a dark evil path that leads to tyranny.
And there is nothing enlightening about progressive philosophy. It is a dark evil path that leads to tyranny.
Next you’ll be telling us Hitler and Franco were “liberals.”
05-31-2020, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
The tired old Southern “Democrat” trope. Yeah, I know — Lincoln was a “Republican.”
Simple question: Were the racist police policies in the 1960’s Deep South progressive?
Or were they conservative?
Simple question: Were the racist police policies in the 1960’s Deep South progressive?
Or were they conservative?
Democrats get 90%+ of the black vote and Republicans are going to need to do better with POC if they are going to survive when you consider demographics.
Especially with the black community, Republicans ought to be able to pull some off. Many POC are conservative in nature, but they have believed or been informed that Republicans are racist and Republicans have not done nearly enough to convince them otherwise.
Should be the easiest thing for the GOP to communicate, but it never happens.
05-31-2020, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Like in Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland ...
Next you’ll be telling us Hitler and Franco were “liberals.”
Next you’ll be telling us Hitler and Franco were “liberals.”
If you think about it, the goal of socialists is egalitarianism. How do you ensure people have equality? You have to intervene on the individuals pursuits and get them to conform to the behavior that promotes equality.
Not good or bad, but if you want to solve climate change, you have to tell people how to use energy. If you want equality in hiring, you have to tell people who to hire. If you want to ensure everyone is safe from covid, you have to insist they stay inside. If you want economic equality, you have to take money from those that have a lot and give it to those that don't.
If you want egalitarianism, you've got to dictate how people live. You don't get to flex about how progressives care about everyone being equal, but they still somehow are champions of individual freedom.
05-31-2020, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by casual observer
Mussolini, Chavez, Castro, Soviet Union, North Korea. I think the link of socialism and totalitarian impulse is fair.
If you think about it, the goal of socialists is egalitarianism. How do you ensure people have equality? You have to intervene on the individuals pursuits and get them to conform to the behavior that promotes equality.
Not good or bad, but if you want to solve climate change, you have to tell people how to use energy. If you want equality in hiring, you have to tell people who to hire. If you want to ensure everyone is safe from covid, you have to insist they stay inside. If you want economic equality, you have to take money from those that have a lot and give it to those that don't.
If you want egalitarianism, you've got to dictate how people live. You don't get to flex about how progressives care about everyone being equal, but they still somehow are champions of individual freedom.
If you think about it, the goal of socialists is egalitarianism. How do you ensure people have equality? You have to intervene on the individuals pursuits and get them to conform to the behavior that promotes equality.
Not good or bad, but if you want to solve climate change, you have to tell people how to use energy. If you want equality in hiring, you have to tell people who to hire. If you want to ensure everyone is safe from covid, you have to insist they stay inside. If you want economic equality, you have to take money from those that have a lot and give it to those that don't.
If you want egalitarianism, you've got to dictate how people live. You don't get to flex about how progressives care about everyone being equal, but they still somehow are champions of individual freedom.
Because I know there are a lot of happy people in Denmark, despite what you read in the National Review.
05-31-2020, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Good grief. How about we agree that totalitarianism in any form is bad? And there a examples of good socialism (democratic socialism) and good capitalism? Is that too much to ask?
Because I know there are a lot of happy people in Denmark, despite what you read in the National Review.
Because I know there are a lot of happy people in Denmark, despite what you read in the National Review.
Denmark is a parliamentary democracy. Heres the 1953 constitution that among other things codifys the lutheran church. Not many (none) socialist do that.
https://www.google.com/search?q=denmark+constitution&oq=denmark+consti&aq s=chrome.0.0j69i57j0j46.15234j1j4&client=ms-android-mpcs-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
So i guess you are ok with those who now claim to be members of the nazi party.
They know it was started by a really bad guy who did sum bad stuff....but those bad people left to become communists... So now nazis are a really good party...yeah we care about people now....not like those bad guys from the south.
If that sounds stupid...it is. Just like the lame excuse for the democrat party transformation.
Now go read some history about the democrat party and progressives before asking any more questions that will remove all doubt of you lack of informity.
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