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Old 06-01-2020, 08:08 AM
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But you didn't answer the question. What evidence do you have to support what amounts to yet another unfounded conspiracy?
Huh, the fact that Jim Crow came from progressives is well known.

Here's even the left wing wiki quote
Although there were some achievements that improved conditions for African Americans and other non-white minorities, the Progressive Era was the nadir of American race relations. While white Progressives in principle believed in improving conditions for minority groups, there were wide differences in how this was to be achieved. Some, such as Lillian Wald, fought to alleviate the plight of poor African Americans. Many, though, were concerned with enforcing, not eradicating, racial segregation. In particular, the mixing of black and white pleasure-seekers in "black-and-tan" clubs troubled Progressive reformers.[95] The Progressive ideology espoused by many of the era attempted to correct societal problems created by racial integration following the Civil War by segregating the races and allowing each group to achieve its own potential. That is to say that most Progressives saw racial integration as a problem to be solved, rather than a goal to be achieved.[96][97][98] As white progressives sought to help the white working-class, clean-up politics, and improve the cities, the country instated the system of racial segregation known as Jim Crow.
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Old 06-01-2020, 08:16 AM
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socialism

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so·​cial·​ism | \ ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm \

Definition of socialism



1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

Just throwing this out here, as some don’t seem to actually know what socialism is.
To be fair to progressives, capitalism and socialism is less a this or that and more a spectrum of government involvement. It’s not like Sanders would come in and throw the switch to socialism. But, the democratic socialism label they’re using to try to make the case that this would be a good kind of socialism (because they put ‘democratic’ in front) almost comes across as naive. I think most people believe egalitarianism seems virtuous. It just comes with a real cost that I’m not sure socialists understand. When you take something from a producer (without consent) and give it to someone else to promote equality, you reduce the incentive to produce in both parties. That is what socialism does. Regardless of whether you label it compassion, equality, fairness, democratic, or justice; it ends with empty shelves and hungry people. Not because it’s not a great idea, but because it does not account for human nature.
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Old 06-01-2020, 08:19 AM
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Would it really matter? After 3 years of investigations there was no “evidence” that Trump is Putin’s puppet. But ask any “democrat” if Trump is guilty of collusion and the answer is a resounding yes.

So the point is, “evidence” is not necessarily required to shape one’s beliefs

There is no evidence that George Floyd died of asphyxiation or trauma to the neck......does that matter? Does it change anything?
Yes, facts & evidence still matter in the real world.
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Old 06-01-2020, 08:21 AM
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There are 10 times more men in prison than women. Why don’t progressives care about that disparity?
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Old 06-01-2020, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
Huh, the fact that Jim Crow came from progressives is well known.

Here's even the left wing wiki quote
No, not that. Your assertion that Antifa 'operatives' were flown in and funded by the DNC for specific riots.
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Old 06-01-2020, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by casual observer View Post
Nobody is psyched about shooting looters, but I agree with you.

I think we are heading towards a brink. I think you are right that this is being instigated. I don't know if it's Chinese, Russian, Iranian or all of the above. It does not seem organic.

I believe that we should forget about Trump and Nancy Pelosi for a couple of months and start acting like a country, because we are getting our a$$es handed to us.

I like democrats way more than I like Russians, Chinese, and Iranians
I believe the Russians Chinese Iranians are much less dangerous than Democrats
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Old 06-01-2020, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by velosnow View Post
No, not that. Your assertion that Antifa 'operatives' were flown in and funded by the DNC for specific riots.
Here is the list of bailout groups funding the rioters. Several receive donations from the DNC, or are even run by democratic politicians.
https://twitter.com/MatthewACherry/s...95545022287872
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Old 06-01-2020, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by casual observer View Post
To be fair to progressives, capitalism and socialism is less a this or that and more a spectrum of government involvement. It’s not like Sanders would come in and throw the switch to socialism. But, the democratic socialism label they’re using to try to make the case that this would be a good kind of socialism (because they put ‘democratic’ in front) almost comes across as naive. I think most people believe egalitarianism seems virtuous. It just comes with a real cost that I’m not sure socialists understand. When you take something from a producer (without consent) and give it to someone else to promote equality, you reduce the incentive to produce in both parties. That is what socialism does. Regardless of whether you label it compassion, equality, fairness, democratic, or justice; it ends with empty shelves and hungry people. Not because it’s not a great idea, but because it does not account for human nature.
Jordon Peterson is great at explaining this, he’s been studying the psychology of tyrannical governments for years and has some good points. I know it’s kinda long and dovetails into other social issues, but is a very interesting video!!!

https://youtu.be/aMcjxSThD54
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Old 06-01-2020, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
Here is the list of bailout groups funding the rioters. Several receive donations from the DNC, or are even run by democratic politicians.
https://twitter.com/MatthewACherry/s...95545022287872
If Democrats want to support peaceful protesters, that seems good to me. But, nobody is messing with peaceful protesters. People getting arrested are committing crimes. How do Democrats justify making it easier for people to commit crimes?
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Old 06-01-2020, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
Here is the list of bailout groups funding the rioters. Several receive donations from the DNC, or are even run by democratic politicians.
https://twitter.com/MatthewACherry/s...95545022287872
Still doesn't paint a picture of Antifa insurrection funded by the DNC.
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