Stryder

Just be careful. Several people have been vd/md to a new base, sold everything, and moved their family there only to find out the award was canceled and then had to commute back to their original place. I wouldn't be making any moves for the next little while even if you THINK you will be senior.

gopher3

Thanks....Thats good to know...guess I will rethink my strategy. I need to delve into the PWA and research this better. At any rate, as someone else said more eloquently than I, the CR overpromise and underdeliver is tiring.

gopher3

You got me wondering, if they cancel the AE but you have already converted....then what? I have always understood it that once you convert that is your new position period. I wasn’t affected by the Jan AE cancellations, but I think most of those guys affected hadn’t converted yet.

sailingfun

Converted is converted!

PilotJ3

So, in theory...they can convert as many people they want, cancel the AE and do a new bid, while those already converted are locked in?

sailingfun

Correct however since almost everyone on this bid is a MD they are free to bid on the next bid. Also keep in mind that canceling a AE bid can be a nightmare for the company contractually. Reinstatement also creates issues.

A pilot who holds an MD will, without regard to the standing bids of senior pilots, be reinstated to the category from which he was displaced if: a. a vacancy is posted in such category and the earliest conversion date stated in the posting is within the 180 day periodsix bid periods following the conversion date of his MD, b. his standing bid indicates a request for such reinstatement, and c. such vacancy has not been filled by reinstatement of a pilot senior to him who was also awarded an MD from such category.

15. If an AE is canceled by the Company, the pilot may: a. displace any junior pilot who holds an unconverted AE, b. displace a junior pilot from a category the junior pilot converted into pursuant to an AE awarded concurrent with or after the canceled AE, or c. by mutual agreement between the pilot and the Company, extend the effective date of the AE up to 31 days.

LeineLodge

Section 6 of the PWA lays it out pretty well.

If you choose to move prior to being converted and the bid is subsequently cancelled, you have to pay back the moving expenses. If you’re converting in July, I’d take that bet. If it’s months from now you may be smart to hang on a bit unless you would move anyways.

Highlights. If your move is eligible (MD or VD and subject to a few distance/other limitations):

- Up to 24k pounds from old permanent residence to new permanent residence OR to an intermediary storage for up to a month and then to new residence
- 2 cars. Or 55 cents/mile if you drive (greater than 600 miles)
- S1 passes for house hunting, a couple commutes and for the family to go one-way on moving day
- 1 day pay/no credit for each 400 miles between old base and new base, or old residence and new base. Whichever is less. Up to 7 days max
- $2k in misc expenses after move is executed
- Insurance on items being moved up to $150k in value


Probably missed some other odds and ends but those are some of the big points

PilotJ3

But those with VD and AEs awarded in this bid, once they are converted, they have a 2 yr seatlock.

I can see them doing a bid after the 6 bid periods and get a 2yr seatlock to anyone moving planes. That way they will have everyone re locked until we are out of this Covid Issue.

gopher3

Thats what I thought...thx Sailing. Better to wait on conversion date and let company do the move after. Otherwise if you move before conversion it’s on your dime and need to submit for reimbursement after conversion. If you don’t convert then the move is out of pocket.

gopher3

Any cancellation of this bid or rebid would be a total nightmare on the company’s part. I just don’t see it happening. They are sticking to their guns and I have yet to see mgmt waver on this current path. I know we want
to think things are recovering rapidly, but the top has spoken clearly about being a smaller airline and fleet simplification. Time will tell if they made the right call or If this was all about optics or contract negotiations or Trump or whatever other theories are out there. But if I was a UNA I would be preparing for furlough and if I was MD on this bid I would be preparing for that eventuality.
Just my 2cents which won’t buy much.