hockeypilot44

I always laugh when scheduling and I disagree. Half the time, I'll call back later during a different shift and new scheduler will agree with me. Chief pilot's office has never helped me in dispute with scheduling. I don't even bother anymore. Once 2 schedulers tell me I'm wrong, I then forward to union. So far I've been right 100 percent of the time.

freezingflyboy

Exactly the policy I subscribe to and wish that more of our brethren did also. It's always a "shake my head" moment when people make unreasonable demands upon ALPA volunteers and then come unglued when those demands aren't met.

Try to resolve the issue through the normal channels. If you reach an impasse with the company or can't reach an acceptable resolution, that's the time to get the union involved. If more pilots would follow this policy, ALPA volunteers would have more time and bandwidth to tackle sticky issues and waste less energy bogged down on "easy" stuff that we can fix ourselves with a phone call or a supervisor.

CX500T

I'm currently at 30 min on the phone with CS and counting and they keep on stating "you don't have an aircraft, RES guarantee doesn't apply"

Even though I am quoting 4D, which says you will be paid the lowest pay rate, but then 4C1 says the res guarantee is ALV-2 no less than 72.

Of course, nobody know should I get paid on ALV of the actual 717, or ALV of the category displaced from (NYC7ERB)

Because for July, the ER is 83:30, which would drive a RES guarantee of 80.

FangsF15

exactly...

FangsF15

First, it sucks you have to be in this situation. Sorry.

Second, stand your ground, remain professional (never lose your temper when you are right), and pass off to ALPA Scheds and Contract Admin if not resolved soon. Obviously you aren’t the only one to have this issue...

Lastly, you aren’t converted until 2 July, correct? Until then, you get Res Guarantee in current fleet. After conversion, as you stated in 4D, "The line guarantee of an unassigned pilot will be the reserve guarantee of the [717B]", which it never less than 72. Black and white. You are right.

Good luck.

P. S. CS is doing a job. But it seriously ****es me off they have clearly been instructed by some middle manager to do this to 800 of you in July, and more to follow. I hope ALPA nukes them over it. Shameful.

CX500T

38 minutes on the phone

"My supervisor will call you back, alright" Click.

30 minutes later

"It's an IT automation issue, it will be fixed"

(riiiiight)

freezingflyboy

Sucks that you have to deal with that, on top of a pending furlough. Sucks even more that I'm not surprised.

gloopy

If that is the "rumor" verbatim then it smacks of manipulative hyperbole.

It sure seems like that exact verbiage was used to dredge up memories of deception and betrayal with the "bankruptcy protection letter" for a round of cuts, which was, of course, voided in bankruptcy and lead to another round of cuts anyway.

The negotiations WRT any early out along with whatever if anything else have been exceptionally tight lipped. Impressive actually in an era of leaks being the norm. But no one really knows. I don't see DALPA biting off on a 60 hour ALV if all the pilot group got for it was a vague and toothless "FPL". I think any significant ALV reduction would include a lot more temporary and permanent upsides along the lines numerous people have proposed here for a while.

That this "rumor" is simply an ALV reduction for very specific and inflamatory verbiage reminiscent of the exact nexus of the last "once bitten" low water mark of management credibility just seems to be too lazy of a draft rumor to be the case.

Not buying it at this time.

RightSide

I just checked my time card and it has been updated from 70 hours to 72 hours.

CX500T

Mine is now 80, but the category I displaced from has an 83:30 ALV in July.