Not quite sure what your point is. Of course we had a seat at the table, it was our grievance. And we too have had "victories" awarded by "The Magical Bloch" on other sections of the PWA but we certainly didn't prevail on the language that you previously cited. And it would seem to follow that if your PWA has zero contractual language with regard to an issue or happening that you don't get to grieve it on the plus side, if you are able.to establish standing without contractual language, you stand a much better chance of getting an arbitrator's decision overturned. I take it your previous airline had no furlough protection language

Well if you don’t understand my post then I’m not sure what the point of your original response was. People complain about the supposed inadequacy of furlough protection language and yet I would contend that the mere existence of such language gives a group the ability to argue the merits of their case. No language generally means no arguments, or a greatly diminished argument.

My pilot group did in fact have furlough protection language.

Perhaps, but if you don't win the argument in front of the arbitrator (as was the case in 2001), when he applies the force majeure doctrine he is essentially striking down that furlough protection language which is the equivalent of having no protection language at all.

100% in agreement. I just prefer to have the ability to make that argument as opposed to not.

I’m top 50% UNA NYC and I have yet to receive one. Is furlough minimum 90 days from when I receive one?

Is everyone getting a certified letter?

When they cancelled the January AE I got a certified letter pretty quickly, I’m not so sure that this letter is that well planned out.

It’s not a certified letter. It’s just standard 1st class mail. Your actual furlough letter will be certified.

It's not a furlough....it is an "interim career deviation." Pays the same but Joe Kohlshack liked the sound of the latter.

Some states (NY) require 90 days notice.

WARN act says 60.

PWA day 90 or 30 depends on if hired before/after 1 Dec 2016.

I believe this email and letter is to satisfy the 90 day states and exceed the WARN requirement.

Actual furlough notice will state that you are actually getting furloughed effective xyz date.

Im top 10% UNA, NYC based and already got mine.

Incorrect. Dispatchers (only other represented group on property BTW) were just handed a "take it or lose (furlough) a good 200 of you" proposal to pass the 25% pay cut until Jan 1st. That? Does not signal growth.