S3A passes
 

I am going to put in for the VEOP and I am pleased with the work the MEC did to get this. However, I have *****ed before, having been "cornered" (friendly) by a recent Delta pilot retiree. Okay, so we get 6 S3A days a year but the rest of the time, Endeavor employees AND FAMILY get them year round. I don't think that's right and I did state that to my LEC rep. 30+ years at Delta and the wife and kids of a Endeavor pilot board before me? I hope this gets corrected soon.

You are right! They should just give the Endeavor pilots and family members S3 with the occasional S2. Marvelous idea!

After this response, you should have left the “1215” off your screen name.....

Denny

their metal or yours?

If you’re willing to consider the perspective of a 9E guy, I very much appreciate the S3A priority. It helps me get to work to fly the planes that retirees nonrev on. And it helps me get home.

I certainly respect that you and your family contributed 30 valuable years to mainline, and that’s more than me and my family have contributed to 9E. But your contribution of 30 years dwarfs the contribution of, say, a 10-year mainline employee and their family, so you should go ahead of their S3 passes too. Shouldn’t that also be corrected?

I think there’s value in the contributions of active employees, mainline or regional. Actually, I wouldn’t mind seeing retirees get S3A like 9E. I do respect the decades of contribution to mainline. But that would also make it more difficult for me to get to work, and I would probably need to use the positive space commuter clause more often.

9E going to work needn't be the same priority as 9E family leisure travel. Problem(s) solved.

but DL family and leisure travel is the same as DL going to work...

Delta pilots are back to complaining about standby priority.


the world is returning to normal. Nature is healing. We are the virus.


when we hit the point where someone says pilots deserve higher priority than other employee groups, we will also hit 2m passengers/day

No poop post of the day!!!

Please explain why 9E family’s S3A are a problem, when S3 of a mainline employee’s family/children nonrevving for leisure isn’t a problem? If time of employment at Delta is the measuring stick, why is the disgruntlement only about 9E S3As and not junior mainline S3s?

Let me be clear about what I’m asking. I am not asking why you think 9E family shouldn’t go ahead of mainline retirees. I’m asking, based on the reasoning provided, why when this issue comes up, the attention is only on 9E S3A and not also the S3 of mainline families with less time of service to Delta.

A retiree is far more likely to be bumped by a mainline employee’s family than a 9E employee’s family (for size comparison, 9E only has 2,000 pilots). So why is all the focus in these arguments on 9E families, and none on mainline families? I don’t understand the reasoning.

Bravo, good sir...Bravo! :D

I shouldn't have opined. I don't commute, and won't. This job wouldn't be worth the extra unpaid time, nor the headaches one expends getting to and from work start/end. Of course my calculus is only my own, for me and my family.

I also don't value non rev travel for me or my family. Again... not worth the time or "saved" money for my situation.

I'll leave the SXX banter to y'all. Sorry for the interruption.

“Get off Delta common”

Does it need to be said that pilots should get a higher priority? I thought it was a given and that they’re just working through the “IT issues”

I’m thinking an S-1. Goes ahead of S0 and those pesky “emergency” travelers.....


TSA didn’t report numbers today, maybe 2+ mil [emoji2]?

Delta metal

Also interesting is where SKW priority is — on SKW metal they go at S3, their retirees at S3B; while on SKW metal DL goes at S3B1 with their retirees at S3CR.

Compare this to EDV/RPA — on their metal they go at S3, retirees at S3CR; DL on EDV/RPA metal is S3 and retirees S3B. Active employees for both are at S3 the order is based on seniority.

Why are active DL employees treated to worse status on a DL painted SKW airplane than on EDV/RPA? Why does a SKW retiree get onboard before an active DL employee?

Add to that Delta parents going behind EDV on mainline. EDV employees shot up 2 priority levels recently. Parents also can't ZED on KLM, making Europe travel nearly impossible for them.

Im guessing SKW peeps would gladly take Endeavors priority deal.

Doesn't Skywest own the majority of their aircraft?

It’s their metal, not ours....the math is pretty simple.

And END people, if nonreving, are probably to or from making money for the mothership. That should count for something.

Ask an XJT nonrev if they get priority over UAL nonrevs on UAL aircraft. EDV should not go ahead of DL nonrevs (parents, retirees) on DL aircraft. Period.

Cherry pick much? Since we are all of a sudden trying to be like AA, ask them if their WO ever go ahead of their employees, including active

I think the issue is that 9E's software is a different vendor from Delta, so it's outside of Delta IT's ability to determine non-rev priority, if/when a 9E pilot is commuting to work or not. The only reason 9E has these passes over retirees, is that Delta has a no-involuntary bump policy. So, 9E pilots using positive space on the next flight were bumping revenue passengers.

Their WO's go ahead of mainline on mainlin flights? I highly doubt that. Their JS is first come first serve and not what we're talking about here. Just look at our system before DL made this change just last year. That's how it should be now.

That's an interesting theory and makes sense. It doesn't give them the right to ruin our parent's and retiree's benefits though. After spending 6+ years at the regionals, it always made sense to us. Putting EDV ahead of DL retirees and parents does not.

all AAL/envoy/PSA/Piedmont employees travel at the same priority based on time of checkin. (Equivalent to S3, called D2)

I personally like TOC better because it gives you a better idea ahead of time where you stand on the priority list

AAs jumpseat is TOC (AA first, then WO) up to (I think 10) days prior regardless of commuting status

why should my parents, who never set foot on delta property as an employee, go ahead of someone who works for a wholly owned company of ours who exclusively flies our passengers?

I used to commute on AA. People would "check-in" from RDU for a flight from ORD-PHL. Neither system is perfect, but I prefer ours. Especially when I'm old and don't want to game the system just to have a chance.

Further, EDV aren't even equals on mainline, that would be an improvement. They go ahead of mainline retirees and parents.

Because that's the benefit we all signed up for. EDV employees get the same benefit when they move on.

yes, another benefit to their system is that a “through passenger” goes ahead of a originating passenger of the same priority. Odds are if you are starting a trip somewhere you have a place to go if you miss your flight, if you are just connecting somewhere you probably don’t. I’ve used both systems. AAs wins hands down. Plus Jetnet is far better than travel net

all AA WO employees go AHEAD of all AA retirees and parents and at the same priority as Active AA employees

who are you saying it is an improvement for?

No, not a through passenger, a working pilot who hadn't flown his last leg back to ORD yet. Happened all the time. It's the gamesmanship that needs to be played in a pure TOC world.

TOC also hurts the guys that are flying when the check-in window opens. It really hurts the guys who then miss that flight and need to rebook.

are you saying non rev or JS? Non revs can check in 24 hours in advance this determines priority among like travel priorities . Not sure about JS but I think it is similar. They can reserve the JS ahead of time and just walk up any time prior to about 15 out

I’d love to see the gnashing of teeth and “but my seniority” posts if we went to a TOC system

you can check in 24 hrs prior. If you are flying at that time at least you know a day out where you stand on the list. Nothing like getting to the airport and watching 8 people check in for your fight in the 1.5 hours before departure and miss a flight... at least their system allows you to better plan ahead

Sure it sucks, but rarely happens as you get more senior, and even more rarely to the point of getting bumped. The great thing is seniority continues to work even if your plans change (weather, delays, cancelations etc.)

I think most Delta pilots live in this weird bubble where everything is better everywhere else... except when it isn't and they are aghast that anyone would do it differently.

We're talking about S3Cs jumping to S3A (skipping S3B) on mainline flights. That's a Delta system changing to a worse Delta system. Trust us, we have no illusions how bad we are at some things. #UALvacation&SWAScopeC2019

Where is that referenced in the contract?

I signed up thinking our buddy passes weren't basically worthless....I’ll get over it.