Bergman

Per Email from head of IFS this afternoon. That’s good news at least!

Guess the company really does just want to shaft the pilots. Should have expected this after their super sincere contract negations earlier this year. 🙄

BlaneO

Apples to oranges. The FAs did it by taking 3882 unpaid leaves, 284 split lines (2 on one line), and 1054 fly on/off bids (one month on, one off). Additionally, “hundreds” transferred to catering or hospitality support positions.

block30

Were those offers ever extended to us? I am not above that type work and I wouldn't mind learning the operation like in those "walk a mile segments."

AimHigh1

Good for them! Now they just need to unionize

hockeypilot44

Don't forget the 60/60 deal. 60 percent of your pay to stay home if over 60 years old.

Gone Flying

If they have underlying health conditions, many of which would disqualify one from a first class medical anyway

m3113n1a1

We get mad when FAs compare themselves to us. But now we want to be compared to FAs?

Apples to oranges.

Bergman

It’s apples to apples, as we are all Delta employees. The company bent over backwards to keep them on property, yet they apparently aren’t all that interested in keeping the pilots. I understand the financials involved, and perhaps pilot furloughs truly couldn’t Have been helped, but the lack of effort is disheartening.

Again, very happy for the FAs. I know a lot of them have really been sweating this.

beernutt

No, and likely never will be, because our tough Association would never allow it. The company likely proposed items like this, but if DALPA agreed then it would be viewed as a ‘concession’, and they would be pilloried by all their tough-guy supporters.

And so we get nowhere, and 1941 of us (or more) won’t work here for a while. And we’ll pat ourselves (and this MEC) on the back and claim victory. And 1941 of us (or more) look for jobs.

Great work, Delta MEC. You showed ‘em.

Drum

I don't follow your logic here. How is it DALPAs issue the airline is furloughing? DALPA has offered, from I have read, very amenable terms and options with flexibility to forestall some furloughs. Kompany told them to pound sand. Give us ALV concessions or nothing.

Well say hypothetically we give them ALV relief; 1)what's stopping the kompany from furloughing anyway? and 2)how long would it take to remove that provision if accepted (which I don't think it would ever pass a vote). We've seen the numbers, we know the $$$ savings given the multiple voluntary options proffered by the MEC. I can see them, if given ALV relief, using it as a rolling tool to overwork certain categories while idling others, a feast or famine type scenario where they can pull the strings at will (optimizer 4.0). We've seen their act. Dishonesty is in their playbook.

No, I don't think we need to go crazy Ivan on giving up anything to them. I was prepared as UNA to be furloughed. I got saved by VEOP, but I'm still not all that far from the bottom of the list. Kompany is out to make an example of union shop, they are covering that under the guise of $$ savings. It's all a massive pile of BS.