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SparkySmith 06-16-2021 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3250718)
Its amazing some of you have so many bad sim instructor interactions. I have had on bad instructor over a lot of years and he was a SLI. I must be really lucky.


Of all people, sailing, I’d have thought you would recognize the quote he was paraphrasing.

We were inverted.


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Funk 06-16-2021 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by SparkySmith (Post 3250719)
Of all people, sailing, I’d have thought you would recognize the quote he was paraphrasing.

We were inverted.


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His filter that ignores all critiques of the company and causes the reflexive defense mechanism lacks a sarcasm bypass.

sailingfun 06-16-2021 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by SparkySmith (Post 3250719)
Of all people, sailing, I’d have thought you would recognize the quote he was paraphrasing.

We were inverted.


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I should have put it as a standalone post and not quoted him. It’s a general observation of posts I have seen over the years.

AlphaBeta 06-16-2021 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3250734)
I should have put it as a standalone post and not quoted him. It’s a general observation of posts I have seen over the years.

the only fleet I heard consistently had bad instructors was the 88. When I was on it I only had 1 bad interaction and it was with a retired delta pilot who was a dgs instructor. Everyone else was fine. The biggest complaint I ever had was; did I need to know the name of every single opening on the exterior inspection verbatim?

Hrkdrivr 06-16-2021 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by SparkySmith;[url=tel:3250719
3250719[/url]]Of all people, sailing, I’d have thought you would recognize the quote he was paraphrasing.

We were inverted.


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Flat spin?

Big E 757 06-16-2021 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by SparkySmith (Post 3250719)
Of all people, sailing, I’d have thought you would recognize the quote he was paraphrasing.

We were inverted.


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Speaking of which, have they come out with a new release date for that movie? I’m looking forward to seeing that one.

NuGuy 06-16-2021 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr (Post 3250796)
Flat spin?

Last I saw, they were heading out to sea….

gloopy 06-17-2021 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3250718)
Its amazing some of you have so many bad sim instructor interactions. I have had on bad instructor over a lot of years and he was a SLI. I must be really lucky.

LOL hopefully that wasn't directed at me. If you didn't get the joke I could explain it, but then it wouldn't be as funny.

I agree that the instructors we have are generally very good. Any critiques I can think of are program/footprint related, not instructors. Except one, but next time around he was much better (and no I didn't snitch).

notEnuf 06-17-2021 11:09 AM

My biggest issue is consistently. Every instructor teaches his/her technique. During the 200s you do it one way then learn “my way” or the “line way” in the later lessons. Having had a different instructor for almost every module it gets frustrating. This happened with my last two full courses, then add a non standard pairing with unknown seat fillers and it becomes more challenging because now you have 2 instructors tag teaming you with “technique” at the same time.

The system works though. No extra sims and finished on plan.

OOfff 06-17-2021 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3251286)
My biggest issue is consistently. Every instructor teaches his/her technique. During the 200s you do it one way then learn “my way” or the “line way” in the later lessons. Having had a different instructor for almost every module it gets frustrating. This happened with my last two full courses, then add a non standard pairing with unknown seat fillers and it becomes more challenging because now you have 2 instructors tag teaming you with “technique” at the same time.

The system works though. No extra sims and finished on plan.

this was my 320 experience and it frustrated the heck out of me

theUpsideDown 06-17-2021 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3250718)
Its amazing some of you have so many bad sim instructor interactions. I have had on bad instructor over a lot of years and he was a SLI. I must be really lucky.

He's... he's doing a joke.

How are you guys not getting the joke? If you need i can tell you the movie but common, you know this right?

theUpsideDown 06-17-2021 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr (Post 3250796)
Flat spin?

No! You're dangerous!

Hrkdrivr 06-17-2021 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by theUpsideDown;[url=tel:3251431
3251431[/url]]No! You're dangerous!

No, you can be MY wingman!

NuGuy 06-17-2021 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3251286)
My biggest issue is consistently. Every instructor teaches his/her technique. During the 200s you do it one way then learn “my way” or the “line way” in the later lessons. Having had a different instructor for almost every module it gets frustrating. This happened with my last two full courses, then add a non standard pairing with unknown seat fillers and it becomes more challenging because now you have 2 instructors tag teaming you with “technique” at the same time.

The system works though. No extra sims and finished on plan.

Hmmmm, if there was only a place you could look where everything was standardized….

Nantonaku 06-17-2021 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 3251501)
Hmmmm, if there was only a place you could look where everything was standardized….

New to a plane trying to swallow everything at once you don’t know what you are doing wrong sometimes. It is nice when every one in the department is on the same page and able to point out areas where you are non standard.

notEnuf 06-17-2021 08:31 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 3251501)
Hmmmm, if there was only a place you could look where everything was standardized….

I know, right?

OOfff 06-18-2021 04:34 AM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 3251501)
Hmmmm, if there was only a place you could look where everything was standardized….

saying “everything” is standardized is a heck of a stretch. Otherwise we’d never hear the phrase “technique, not procedure” that we’ve all heard a thousand times

m3113n1a1 06-18-2021 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3251552)
saying “everything” is standardized is a heck of a stretch. Otherwise we’d never hear the phrase “technique, not procedure” that we’ve all heard a thousand times

Speaking of standardized..why is it up to each individual captain how they want to handle communications during an abort? Some want me to call the tower, they'll talk to the pax. Others vice a versa. And some want me to do both calls. Why isn't this standardized? I'm highly likely to forget what the captain briefed me in an emergency. If it was a standardized procedure the likelihood of forgetting a call goes way down.

OOfff 06-18-2021 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3251608)
Speaking of standardized..why is it up to each individual captain how they want to handle communications during an abort? Some want me to call the tower, they'll talk to the pax. Others vice a versa. And some want me to do both calls. Why isn't this standardized? I'm highly likely to forget what the captain briefed me in an emergency. If it was a standardized procedure the likelihood of forgetting a call goes way down.

I write it down on my note sheet every flight because of this

theUpsideDown 06-18-2021 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3251609)
I write it down on my note sheet every flight because of this

I write a zero 1 or 2 as a note.

So stupid.

crewdawg 06-18-2021 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3251552)
saying “everything” is standardized is a heck of a stretch. Otherwise we’d never hear the phrase “technique, not procedure” that we’ve all heard a thousand times

Not 100%, but I think they're opining about SOPA/SMAC.

TED74 06-18-2021 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3251608)
Speaking of standardized..why is it up to each individual captain how they want to handle communications during an abort? Some want me to call the tower, they'll talk to the pax. Others vice a versa. And some want me to do both calls. Why isn't this standardized? I'm highly likely to forget what the captain briefed me in an emergency. If it was a standardized procedure the likelihood of forgetting a call goes way down.


Particularly when an FO can have 5 captains over 7 legs of a 3-day…I agree this lack of standardization is stupid. I can appreciate Captain discretion, but for a high-stress infrequent event like an RTO it’s just stupid not to have procedures more standardized. Everyone is already going to be As and Elbows - no reason to brief cracking this nut three different ways in a single FDP.

m3113n1a1 06-19-2021 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3251860)
Particularly when an FO can have 5 captains over 7 legs of a 3-day…I agree this lack of standardization is stupid. I can appreciate Captain discretion, but for a high-stress infrequent event like an RTO it’s just stupid not to have procedures more standardized. Everyone is already going to be As and Elbows - no reason to brief cracking this nut three different ways in a single FDP.

Exactly. Captain's discretion is great at times, but on something like an abort we shouldn't have to be thinking "okay, now what did THIS captain want me to do." Especially when switching captains sometimes every leg!

180ToAJ 06-19-2021 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3252021)
Exactly. Captain's discretion is great at times, but on something like an abort we shouldn't have to be thinking "okay, now what did THIS captain want me to do." Especially when switching captains sometimes every leg!

I couldn’t agree more. Why add confusion to an already confusing and stressful situation?
Every abort I’ve had comes with a second or two of “What the hell is going on?”, followed by the decision to abort, and keeping the aircraft on a solid surface while trying to figure out what’s going on and what steps need to be taken. Why add anything more to that like trying to remember what the Capt said 3 days ago?

TexanDriver 06-19-2021 06:20 PM

I do find it humorous on the 320 when the capts brief “you make the PA.” And in my head I’m thinking “you want me to call the tower, make the PA, and run the ECAM? So…what are you gonna do?” 😂. Honestly Capts should deal with the big picture stuff (PA to the pax, comms to CFR and FAs etc). Allow the FOs to deal with the ECAM/QRH unless an evac is warranted (at least on the bus).

PilotBases 06-19-2021 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by TexanDriver (Post 3252245)
I do find it humorous on the 320 when the capts brief “you make the PA.” And in my head I’m thinking “you want me to call the tower, make the PA, and run the ECAM? So…what are you gonna do?” 😂. Honestly Capts should deal with the big picture stuff (PA to the pax, comms to CFR and FAs etc). Allow the FOs to deal with the ECAM/QRH unless an evac is warranted (at least on the bus).

On top of the ten minute brief... I had that in simland and instructors were like “wow that’s great, you covered everything” meanwhile my brain was out both ears and I was staring into the abyss. If everything is important, nothing is.

hockeypilot44 06-19-2021 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by PilotBases (Post 3252249)
On top of the ten minute brief... I had that in simland and instructors were like “wow that’s great, you covered everything” meanwhile my brain was out both ears and I was staring into the abyss. If everything is important, nothing is.

I usually zone out the briefs. I figure if captain is doing non-standard things, no reason to make his life any easier. (I'm kidding)

Schwanker 06-20-2021 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 3251501)
Hmmmm, if there was only a place you could look where everything was standardized….

Nonsense. If there was a better way of doing something, Delta would have already have thought of it.

tankerklown 06-22-2021 10:04 AM

Any gouge on what the interview consists of besides the 10-minute presentation? Is it your standard “get to know you” professional interview or will you be expected to become a drop of fuel and work your way out?

180ToAJ 06-22-2021 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by tankerklown (Post 3253282)
Any gouge on what the interview consists of besides the 10-minute presentation? Is it your standard “get to know you” professional interview or will you be expected to become a drop of fuel and work your way out?

Standard interview
Tell us about yourself, why did you apply, and maybe 3-4 question. Then your presentation.
It’s scheduled for an hour

TexanDriver 06-27-2021 07:37 AM

If you’re on a NB fleet with new hires, expect a lot of E periods with these NHs moving forward.

bsh932 09-15-2021 07:53 AM

For anyone that has been hired into the training department recently, how long was it until you started training? Does your new SLI pay start as soon as you start training or once you actually start working as an instructor? Has anybody recently been hired on a fleet they are not currently on? I'm a 320B with an AE award for the 330. If I was to apply I would be interested in the 330. Thanks for any info.

tunes 09-15-2021 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by bsh932 (Post 3295439)
For anyone that has been hired into the training department recently, how long was it until you started training? Does your new SLI pay start as soon as you start training or once you actually start working as an instructor? Has anybody recently been hired on a fleet they are not currently on? I'm a 320B with an AE award for the 330. If I was to apply I would be interested in the 330. Thanks for any info.

have been in department for years but your pay starts as soon as you convert to an instructor, which would be the first day of the bid period. You don't have to have experience on a fleet to be hired, apply to whatever fleet you want to work on.

bsh932 06-22-2022 12:19 PM

I threw my name in the hat for an SLI position during the last application window that closed on the 19th. How soon do they usually start calling for interviews? If not selected for an interview do you get any sort of thanks, but no thanks email. Thanks for any input

MJP27 06-22-2022 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by bsh932 (Post 3445795)
I threw my name in the hat for an SLI position during the last application window that closed on the 19th. How soon do they usually start calling for interviews? If not selected for an interview do you get any sort of thanks, but no thanks email. Thanks for any input

It's usually pretty quick. No input if you don't get selected for an interview. Just crickets.

bsh932 06-22-2022 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by MJP27 (Post 3445801)
It's usually pretty quick. No input if you don't get selected for an interview. Just crickets.

Thank you for the input. Hopefully I'll hear something this week.

Lifeisgood 06-22-2022 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by bsh932 (Post 3445795)
I threw my name in the hat for an SLI position during the last application window that closed on the 19th. How soon do they usually start calling for interviews? If not selected for an interview do you get any sort of thanks, but no thanks email. Thanks for any input

They do cpo validation first, that takes a few days.

You will get the email either way.

bsh932 06-22-2022 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by Lifeisgood (Post 3445970)
They do cpo validation first, that takes a few days.

You will get the email either way.

Thanks for the feedback. What is CPO validation?

MJP27 06-23-2022 02:07 AM


Originally Posted by bsh932 (Post 3446184)
Thanks for the feedback. What is CPO validation?

Yeah, I'm nit sure I know either. I'm guessing it goes beyond looking up the amount of sick leave you use every year.....like do you have to exercise UTC every week? Are you a problem child?

Regardless, it can't be too stringent of a review. I got the nod from the CPO ....LOL

Lifeisgood 06-26-2022 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by bsh932 (Post 3446184)
Thanks for the feedback. What is CPO validation?

Your file review, basically how much pain in the butt we are operationally to work with as viewed by coworkers, plus
training results look back.
New hire assessments from probation
prob something else, not sure..


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