SLI jobs on 220, 330, 350
 

Applications are opened for seniority list sim instructors jobs.

Those are great jobs, please consider applying!
I am a DGP guy, but I wish I have done this when I was still active.

I am sure SLIs on this forum can answer logistical questions.

Where do you find info about these job listings?

DeltaNet ... fltops ... admin ... pilot-only job openings

I assume those of us in the 1941 can’t apply?

Sorry, brother, I wouldn’t know. Definitely a question to ask from Fleet managers. Go to fleet pages to find their contacts.
Makes total sense to me and if the furlough does happen .. maybe being hired as the DGP right away is a win win?

Does anybody know if you have to already be on a plane to be eligible to apply or will they train you on a new aircraft?

They will train you if need be, SLIs have been jumping from fleet to fleet for years in order to stay in their own bed every night. Great gig if you live in the ATL... When I was there they had an 88 F/O who had no airbus experience come onboard as a 330 instructor.

Minimum eligibility requirements include both:

• 750 hours as PIC or SIC at Delta
• 1000 FAR 121 PIC or SIC hours

Doesn't mention already on the aircraft. As a matter of fact, the training timeline mentions 3 months.

Thanks for the info. I’m currently on the 320, but 330 and 350 SLI might be appealing. I have 10 month old twins and one on the way, so I’m sure my wife would love for me to be home every night. Plus I’m one of the UNAs returning to flight status, so there is no telling what base and airplane I’m gonna get on this AE. This might be a good way to guarantee I stay in ATL. Any current SLIs care to share their experiences about quality of life?

For those curious. It’s a good gig, but it’s not perfect (no job is).

if you’re hired as an FO SLI, you get paid 85 hours of highest FO plane you can hold. So if you can hold Capt, it doesn’t matter. You only get FO SLI pay. With the exception of if you can’t hold 350, but can hold A, they will give you 350 pay. The 85 hours is for 17 Sims....so only 5:00 per event.
You give up some flexibility. Let’s say you’re senior in category as a “regular” line guy/gal. If you want to stack all your trips in the first 2 weeks of the month, and go on a vacation the last half of the month, you can do it. Not as an SLI. You only get to pick 6 “X days” Per month.
Also, you can preference bid what periods you want. But not many guys want A, D, or E...so you will get stuck with some.

ive been here 5 years, and recently left one of the Departments. I enjoyed it. The people are great, and your customers are your fellow delta pilots. The pay pre-MOAD was awesome cause I was making 777 pay.
if I went back now I’d be on 7ER pay, and on my fly months I’d be junior....vs being senior as a line guy on 737 or 717 where I pick EXACTLY when and how I want to work.

that’s the beauty of the gig. Something for everyone. Happy to answer any PMs

I haven’t done it bc I would be commuting but if I lived in ATL with young kids it would be an absolute no brainer.

I would add, “live close in ATL.”

my Sim buddies who lived on the North Side and fight the crazy traffic. 😬

i wouldn't say it's an absolute no brainer. you have to be able to stomach the sim; if you can't, it's going to be a miserable job. It's great QOL wise, would be much better if we got more than 6 specified X days.

Serious question: By “stomach the sim” do you mean motion sickness or the general dread of being in those buildings?

I have reasons for asking. I can work through the latter. Not sure about the former when thinking day in, day out life.

I read 'stomach the sim' as doing sim work instead of flying. Watching others do something you love to do. If you made it through training, you can probably deal with the 'motion' as the instructor. YMMV

"Only" 5:00 per event in the highest category you can hold? That's what... for 8 hours TAFB? The line pays me 10:30 for 36 hours TAFB, and only in a category I'm willing to hold.

I had an instructor tell me he probably averaged 100-110 hours/month...is 85 the minimum or the norm? It sounds pretty darn lucrative - perfect job or not.

Is there a swap board of sorts to move your schedule around?

85--17 sim periods--is the minimum.

85 is the minimum and normal. You can try to GS on your off days, but you go after ALL line pilots in base. You can not WS on off days.

there is no swap board. But you can cold call bro’s and ask for a switch if you NEED it.

no one is going to take your A or E unless it’s an emergency though

How prevalent are the E periods?

Careful with that line of thinking—like bidding a fleet for certain layovers. Things change.

There are always instructors who like (or don’t mind) the As and Es for their own reasons. The schedulers work to avoid Es in particular, but once the student load gets to a certain point, it’s gunna happen.

it’s a good job, I enjoy it

Except when Seattle pilots are involved..... Every CQ since E periods were allowed for west coast pilots, I don’t think I’ve seen a CQ training pattern with anything other than two E periods. Maybe one or two but the vast majority have been double E’s.

Denny

Fleets are all different. I'd have to re read the rules, but I'm fairly certain that once they went from five periods to six that anyone can now do an E. The west coast carve out I believe is now for Fs.

Can sim periods be stacked 2 in one day or are you committed to 17 days?

they can be stacked...with restrictions.
on the 320 fleet, this year, it came down no more 2 teaching events in one day.
you can Teach and turn to a seat fill.

it stems from 1 or 2 guys stacking events, and the customer thought they were kinda getting a rush job (so to speak)

Anyone can do an E period but it will result in some extra pay.........except for west coast based pilots. An F (and possibly an A) for the west coast pilots is the only period that will result in extra pay. Trust me, I’ve checked.

Denny

Does a seat fill pay 5 hours too?

It’s rare to do a double these days, unless it’s two seat fills, which is even more rare on most fleets. Double teaching events are not supposed to be scheduled. It’s a long... long day. A-C or B-D is a minimum 14 hour day plus commute time. The daily planner can do it, but it’s the exception.

Plan on driving in 17 times for 17 days in the box. It’s a good deal, if you’re wired that way. It’s not for everybody. It’s a very tough job to commute to.


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Yes.......

Doubles for your convenience and quality of life are not allowed because the “customer” may somehow get short changed. However, if scheduling gets in a bind and they need you to fill in for a sick instructor or whatever the case may be, it’s OK then. “Customer” be dammd. Funny how that works...:rolleyes:

yep, not motion sickness, just the fact of being in the sim instead of on the line

I NEVER had a scheduler schedule me for a teach-teach double.
it was always teach, then Seat fill. Or 2 seat fills

Wow, I didn't even know F was a thing. That's even worse than the E!!!

I recall a couple A period sims I had when I was in IQ for a different plane, the SLI was a west coast commuter and wanted to be there about 1/10th as much as me and the other student (which was near 0). I can't imagine anybody is learning anything if you've got an ATL based instructor teaching an F period sim. Everybody just looking at their watch and wishing it was over.

It varies by fleet. I’ve been scheduled for that before, but my scheduled knows I’m ok with doubles


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I've been an SLI for awhile now and I commute to it. I like the job but don’t like commuting, however it works for me. I think the most important part of this job is whether or not you enjoy teaching. If you don’t like to instruct then you’re probably not going to enjoy being an SLI and being in the sim even if you live in Atlanta. If you like teaching then you’ll most likely really enjoy it and find it rewarding.

My recommendation is to be an SLI on the most junior fleet. Your pay is based on what you can hold so if someone junior to you is a captain on anything then you’ll get 350 pay even if you teach on the 220. The kicker is when you go fly. On your fly months you bid your seniority just like every line pilot. So if you’re a junior SLI on a senior fleet then your fly months will be on reserve.

It seems off station trainings (MIA) had its fair share of teach/teach.

I believe 220 LCAs were given a period of time where they could commute PS, any such provisions for SLIs? Living in ATL would make 220 SLI less desirable from a commuting perspective but very desirable from a seniority perspective. 330 and 350 exactly the opposite, and if memory serves me correctly you don't even get to sit RES, you're flying the trips the rest of the category finds less desirable.

I believe both 350 and 220 SLIs were given PS either to work or the sims (not both). But now that the 350 is in ATL I’m sure that’s gone for those instructors.

Don’t SLI’s have the ability to book the JS, as soon as their schedule comes out, for the entire month? Not quite PS but just about.

I think they get an extra 2 days...like LCA’s. 7 days early vs. 5 for regular pilots. (I think)

To clear up some of above.

you can get PS to (SLC or NYC for example) during your fly months. You can book the jumpseat early TO work, but not from work.