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MJP27 10-05-2020 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 3140414)
How exactly is that throwing stones? So many people are looking at what’s right in front of them they are missing the forest through the trees.


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Thank God you are here to educate us clueless dolts.

iaflyer 10-05-2020 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3140478)
where was this published? Was it in a MEC update? If so that’s BS on the company’s part. JetBlue dropped their reserve guarantee down to equal line guarantee (5 hr reduction) and got 2 extra days off for it. (15 days on call for SC, 16 for LC)

The Council 20 update from March 31st said this:

Instead we were told we hadn't done our part (we were first to offer and sign a deal), and the Company came to us with LOA language that would have reduced the ALV by 20%... and what's the best part? With no SILs, there are going to be a LOT of pilots on reserve. BUT the reserve guarantee is based on the ALV, so while line holders (what remaining there are) would have short lines, but at least work less, the Company offered NO reduction in reserve days or short calls. Same work for 20% less...same on call days, same short call numbers. For a LOT of people. Best part? We had to sign by Friday. Oh, yea, that's not even including the stiff arm on Section 6 for 11 months and the MBCBP for 18 months.

Gone Flying 10-05-2020 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 3140514)
The Council 20 update from March 31st said this:

Instead we were told we hadn't done our part (we were first to offer and sign a deal), and the Company came to us with LOA language that would have reduced the ALV by 20%... and what's the best part? With no SILs, there are going to be a LOT of pilots on reserve. BUT the reserve guarantee is based on the ALV, so while line holders (what remaining there are) would have short lines, but at least work less, the Company offered NO reduction in reserve days or short calls. Same work for 20% less...same on call days, same short call numbers. For a LOT of people. Best part? We had to sign by Friday. Oh, yea, that's not even including the stiff arm on Section 6 for 11 months and the MBCBP for 18 months.

gotcha. Yeah that seems about right given the way they (the company) have handled everything else. Thanks for the reference

OOfff 10-05-2020 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 3140414)
How exactly is that throwing stones? So many people are looking at what’s right in front of them they are missing the forest through the trees.


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bro, you were chanting for months that we wouldn’t have any furloughs, would be 1.3b profitable in 2020, and many other things now proven wrong. To pretend that you see anything others don’t is laughable.

Breadcream 10-05-2020 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3140528)
bro, you were chanting for months that we wouldn’t have any furloughs, would be 1.3b profitable in 2020, and many other things now proven wrong. To pretend that you see anything others don’t is laughable.

Ummm...we haven’t had any furloughs and there’s still a few months to make that quick $Buh-buh-buh-billion. So you’re kinda wrong for the moment. Not saying that you won’t be right in the end...but for now...WRONG.

theUpsideDown 10-05-2020 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by Breadcream (Post 3140544)
Ummm...we haven’t had any furloughs and there’s still a few months to make that quick $Buh-buh-buh-billion. So you’re kinda wrong for the moment. Not saying that you won’t be right in the end...but for now...WRONG.

I'd understand if your prediction was in april and we had the chance of savaging some part of the summer. With all the writedowns and renewed covid crap during the summer, I think you're way too long on those odds

Herkflyr 10-05-2020 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by Breadcream (Post 3140544)
Ummm...we haven’t had any furloughs and there’s still a few months to make that quick $Buh-buh-buh-billion. So you’re kinda wrong for the moment. Not saying that you won’t be right in the end...but for now...WRONG.

Wrong in what way? The same way a car speeding towards a cliff at 100mph, 100 yards from the edge of the cliff is somehow not in danger at all, and you're "wrong" to assume so?"

theUpsideDown 10-05-2020 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 3140649)
Wrong in what way? The same way a car speeding towards a cliff at 100mph, 100 yards from the edge of the cliff is somehow not in danger at all, and you're "wrong" to assume so?"

*Checks calendar*
Wasn't i suppose to be off the cliff falling 4 days ago? Wheres the cliff?

Herkflyr 10-05-2020 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 3140651)
*Checks calendar*

Wasn't i suppose to be off the cliff falling 4 days ago? Wheres the cliff?

If you ask mgmt sorts they'll tell you it has been moved 100 more yards thanks to their progressive open mindedness and working with ALPA to defer furloughs based on best guess savings from the assumption that the TA will be ratified and implemented.

Don't know if I believe all that, but when reality ***** slaps all of us more than it already has, I prefer to have head out of the sand, rose colored glasses off, and Denial truly being just a river in Egypt.

theUpsideDown 10-05-2020 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 3140658)
If you ask mgmt sorts they'll tell you it has been moved 100 more yards thanks to their progressive open mindedness and working with ALPA to defer furloughs based on best guess savings from the assumption that the TA will be ratified and implemented.

Don't know if I believe all that, but when reality ***** slaps all of us more than it already has, I prefer to have head out of the sand, rose colored glasses off, and Denial truly being just a river in Egypt.

Lol, whatever man, ive had 6 months at full pay to be ready for october. Nov is gravy. Furlough me, idc anymore.

I prepared for the worst, hoped for the best. Delta has a problem I can't fix.


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