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Old 09-22-2020, 01:44 PM   #11  
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i thought the first time DL furloughed was the early 90s.

And they did not furlough during the 2008 recession like many other airlines
They didnít furlough but they declared bankruptcy, cut pay by 42% in two steps, jettisoned the Delta pilot pension and absolutely shredded the contract. They didnít have to furlough.
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They didnít furlough but they declared bankruptcy, cut pay by 42% in two steps, jettisoned the Delta pilot pension and absolutely shredded the contract. They didnít have to furlough.
They didn't do any of this during the 2008 recession if that is what you were saying.
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They didnít furlough but they declared bankruptcy, cut pay by 42% in two steps, jettisoned the Delta pilot pension and absolutely shredded the contract. They didnít have to furlough.
You're getting some dates mixed up. We started furloughing in late 2001. We continued to all while that other stuff was going on. All furloughees were recalled by 2007. The longest had been out 5 1/2 years. The company would have loved to furlough in 2008, but didn't. Some clever language in the contract had something to do with that. We haven't had a pilot on involuntary furlough since 2007.
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They didnít furlough but they declared bankruptcy, cut pay by 42% in two steps, jettisoned the Delta pilot pension and absolutely shredded the contract. They didnít have to furlough.

huh? DL emerged from BK in April of 2007 and since then has not taken a pay cut or furloughed anyone.

BK happened, we all know that, but that was due to years of unprofitably after 9/11.
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In 2009, we didn't make any temporary contract changes to keep pilots employed. The company just carried 1000 extra pilots on reserve. Reserves all made 70 hours back then per month, we had a flow-down to Compass and all pilots were protected by the PWA due to the joint contract just being signed.
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So we vote on this one?
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The power point on ALPA site. Not impressed at all.
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Is this happening, or subject to vote?
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While I think this is underwhelming and anemic, what is the down-side to voting this LOA in? The only downside that I can see is the possibility of the company coming back with a better proposal that saves more jobs. 220 jobs for 3 months is a complete joke. But itís all voluntary and if it saves one job, why not? Itís not concessionary.
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Really this only mitigates 220 furloughs for 2 months (management pushed the furlough date to Nov 1st anyways).

In my opinion this TA is a huge letdown. Some may say itís better than nothing but letís not forget the opportunity cost. The reality is the company is saving a huge amount of money with this. We could have negotiated for way more than 220 saved, as well as way longer than 2 months. Not to mention only 25/35 hour lines. Itís honestly kind of embarrassing when compared to the industry standard 50 hour lines.
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