Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 3185097)
Covid does not spread easy, R0 is ~1.4, you can track it live here. https://rt.live/
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Originally Posted by LumberJack
(Post 3185099)
COVID does not spread easily? Alright.
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
(Post 3185101)
Yes, that's correct, the average person with Covid spreads the disease to 1.4 other people. Measles, a disease that spreads easily, is 12 other people.
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
(Post 3184735)
So, are you saying that secure borders, including a wall .....and/or punitive, sometimes violent imprisonment (including possibly death) are all that is needed to get COVID under control? Island nations can easily control their points of entry.....a repressive regime can also do it.
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100%, or even 80% mask compliance will never happen in the US. Full stop. To suggest at this point is just a badly designed engineered solution/mitigation strategy; one wonders why it's still being discussed.
A decade ago (ish), a routine Christmas story was someone(s) getting crushed to death pushing through store doors with the crowds on "Black Friday". If everyone would just que up in a orderly fashion and wait their turn, well, problem solved! Except it never worked, because all it takes is one person coming in just a bit too fast, and the entrance becomes a venturi, people get compressed at the choke point, and someone who can't breathe pushes the person in front, who does the same to the person in front of him, someone falls, and the mass literally can't be stopped. Better engineered solution: wider doors. MUCH wider doors, with multiple entrances. (Better long term solution: Invent Amazon and crush all other retail, so no one goes shopping anymore on Black Friday) This used to happen routinely every year during Ramadan and the Hajj...lots of people crushed to death. Someone finally hired a British engineering firm in, swore them to secrecy about what they saw (as they were infidels), widened all the entrances/exits/hallways up..problem solved. TLDR - High mask compliance as a mitigation strategy in the US has failed, and will continue to fail, especially if it requires 80%+ compliance. Masks as an engineered solution is terrible, and just cajoling everyone to "wear your mask, but harder!" is a complete waste of time. It's not politics, it's not science, it's just reality. |
The mask is a quasi religious symbol to some now.
Lack of mask is treated like wearing a I love Satan shirt. Me and a friend got yelled at yesterday "where's your mask" while we were riding mountain bikes through a state park. By the only person I had seen in 2 miles aside from my friend I ride with. Without missing a beat he went "OK Karen". Which was hilarious hearing a 65 year old retired guy yelling. I almost fell off my bike laughing. Sent from my SM-G965U1 using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
(Post 3185185)
100%, or even 80% mask compliance will never happen in the US. Full stop. To suggest at this point is just a badly designed engineered solution/mitigation strategy; one wonders why it's still being discussed.
A decade ago (ish), a routine Christmas story was someone(s) getting crushed to death pushing through store doors with the crowds on "Black Friday". If everyone would just que up in a orderly fashion and wait their turn, well, problem solved! Except it never worked, because all it takes is one person coming in just a bit too fast, and the entrance becomes a venturi, people get compressed at the choke point, and someone who can't breathe pushes the person in front, who does the same to the person in front of him, someone falls, and the mass literally can't be stopped. Better engineered solution: wider doors. MUCH wider doors, with multiple entrances. (Better long term solution: Invent Amazon and crush all other retail, so no one goes shopping anymore on Black Friday) This used to happen routinely every year during Ramadan and the Hajj...lots of people crushed to death. Someone finally hired a British engineering firm in, swore them to secrecy about what they saw (as they were infidels), widened all the entrances/exits/hallways up..problem solved. TLDR - High mask compliance as a mitigation strategy in the US has failed, and will continue to fail, especially if it requires 80%+ compliance. Masks as an engineered solution is terrible, and just cajoling everyone to "wear your mask, but harder!" is a complete waste of time. It's not politics, it's not science, it's just reality. |
Originally Posted by CX500T
(Post 3185189)
The mask is a quasi religious symbol to some now.
Lack of mask is treated like wearing a I love Satan shirt. Me and a friend got yelled at yesterday "where's your mask" while we were riding mountain bikes through a state park. By the only person I had seen in 2 miles aside from my friend I ride with. Without missing a beat he went "OK Karen". Which was hilarious hearing a 65 year old retired guy yelling. I almost fell off my bike laughing. Sent from my SM-G965U1 using Tapatalk Double-Masking: Why Two Masks Are the New Masks - The New York Times (nytimes.com) |
Originally Posted by CX500T
(Post 3185189)
The mask is a quasi religious symbol to some now.
Lack of mask is treated like wearing a I love Satan shirt. Me and a friend got yelled at yesterday "where's your mask" while we were riding mountain bikes through a state park. By the only person I had seen in 2 miles aside from my friend I ride with. Without missing a beat he went "OK Karen". Which was hilarious hearing a 65 year old retired guy yelling. I almost fell off my bike laughing. Sent from my SM-G965U1 using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
(Post 3185185)
100%, or even 80% mask compliance will never happen in the US. Full stop. To suggest at this point is just a badly designed engineered solution/mitigation strategy; one wonders why it's still being discussed.
... TLDR - High mask compliance as a mitigation strategy in the US has failed, and will continue to fail, especially if it requires 80%+ compliance. Masks as an engineered solution is terrible, and just cajoling everyone to "wear your mask, but harder!" is a complete waste of time. It's not politics, it's not science, it's just reality. |
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