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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
(Post 3190508)
Most excellent rebuttal Iceberg...very thought provoking. You killed him with a logical, well thought out response, buttressed by both facts and figures:cool:
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Originally Posted by Phins2right
(Post 3190473)
They did by retracting the published, peer reviewed (as you like to cite and emphasize) paper that said it wasn't. WHO has retraced, and a paper published in the AMJM said it is effective. It always was. CNN didn't tell you that so of course I expect you to have your world turned upside down. After,all they were one of the lead news outlets harping the Lancet paper all throughout the spring and summer.
Further, it is now OK to prescribe in the USA. What more do you want? Thousands died because we let the politics intrude on the practice. That is the crime of the century. For the numbers, yes the CDC has been fudging them all along. I've repeated on here how important it is for accurate numbers to be reflected so that policy makers and health providers can better ascertain the true effects of a new bug. This did not happen around the events surrounding us with this bug. Why? https://jdfor2020.com/wp-content/upl...6bf8af1541.pdf Why did we have, last year on Feb 2, over 14k cases of the flu yet this year on the same day <30? Masks cure the flu but not the china bug??????? Why is it all of a sudden since 20 Jan case numbers are plummeting? During the height of the cold/flu season? Why prior to Nov where cases and "new strains" suddenly rising and getting virulent? Why are florida's case numbers going down, yet california's are going up? Why is Sweden better off with this than every country that "locked down" like a supermax? What is going on? You should loosen up your top not - our maybe take one of the 5 masks you are wearing off - because I seriously think your starving your brain of much needed O2. The Lancet is upholding the retraction of the HCQ paper and has published a statement detailing how they will change their methods going forward. The complete opposite of what you’re claiming. Source: The Lancet https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...324-6/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...958-9/fulltext HCQ has been approved in the U.S. for years, but is still not approved for COVID. Source: FDA https://www.fda.gov/media/138945/download “FDA has concluded that, based on this new information and other information discussed in the attached memorandum, it is no longer reasonable to believe that oral formulations of HCQ and CQ may be effective in treating COVID-19, nor is it reasonable to believe that the known and potential benefits of these products outweigh their known and potential risks. Accordingly, FDA revokes the EUA for emergency use of HCQ and CQ to treat COVID-19, pursuant to section 564(g)(2) of the Act. As of the date of this letter, the oral formulations of HCQ and CQ are no longer authorized by FDA to treat COVID-19.” All of your claims are easily refuted by direct sources. |
Originally Posted by GucciBoy
(Post 3190658)
The Lancet is upholding the retraction of the HCQ paper and has published a statement detailing how they will change their methods going forward. The complete opposite of what you’re claiming. Source: The Lancet
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...324-6/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...958-9/fulltext HCQ has been approved in the U.S. for years, but is still not approved for COVID. Source: FDA https://www.fda.gov/media/138945/download “FDA has concluded that, based on this new information and other information discussed in the attached memorandum, it is no longer reasonable to believe that oral formulations of HCQ and CQ may be effective in treating COVID-19, nor is it reasonable to believe that the known and potential benefits of these products outweigh their known and potential risks. Accordingly, FDA revokes the EUA for emergency use of HCQ and CQ to treat COVID-19, pursuant to section 564(g)(2) of the Act. As of the date of this letter, the oral formulations of HCQ and CQ are no longer authorized by FDA to treat COVID-19.” All of your claims are easily refuted by direct sources. |
Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 3190836)
Clearly you must have missed the fact that his wife is a doctor.
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Originally Posted by GucciBoy
(Post 3190658)
The Lancet is upholding the retraction of the HCQ paper and has published a statement detailing how they will change their methods going forward. The complete opposite of what you’re claiming. Source: The Lancet
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...324-6/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...958-9/fulltext HCQ has been approved in the U.S. for years, but is still not approved for COVID. Source: FDA https://www.fda.gov/media/138945/download “FDA has concluded that, based on this new information and other information discussed in the attached memorandum, it is no longer reasonable to believe that oral formulations of HCQ and CQ may be effective in treating COVID-19, nor is it reasonable to believe that the known and potential benefits of these products outweigh their known and potential risks. Accordingly, FDA revokes the EUA for emergency use of HCQ and CQ to treat COVID-19, pursuant to section 564(g)(2) of the Act. As of the date of this letter, the oral formulations of HCQ and CQ are no longer authorized by FDA to treat COVID-19.” All of your claims are easily refuted by direct sources. Docs in USA are prescribing it. Please try to keep up. You've once again used a lot of words to say nothing. |
Originally Posted by Phins2right
(Post 3190910)
The FDA letter is no longer valid. It was written in June of 2020. Been superseded.
Docs in USA are prescribing it. Please try to keep up. You've once again used a lot of words to say nothing. Here is the statement from the FDA website. Bottom line, not approve for COVID. Some doctors may be prescribing it off label but not approved for treatment. Bolding is mine. A: No. Hydroxychloroquine sulfate and some versions of chloroquine phosphate are FDA-approved to treat malaria. Hydroxychloroquine sulfate is also FDA-approved to treat lupus and rheumatoid arthritis. On March 28, 2020, the FDA issued an emergency use authorization (EUA) for chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate to treat adults and adolescents hospitalized with COVID-19 for whom a clinical trial was not available or participation was not feasible. Based on FDA’s continued review of the scientific evidence available, the criteria for an EUA for chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate as outlined in Section 564(c)(2) of the FD&C Act are no longer met. As a result, the EUA for these two drugs was revoked on June 15, 2020. Read more about this action. This is info for all the other readers of the forum. I know Phins is undeterred by reality. |
Originally Posted by Phins2right
(Post 3190910)
The FDA letter is no longer valid. It was written in June of 2020. Been superseded.
Docs in USA are prescribing it. Please try to keep up. You've once again used a lot of words to say nothing. Superseded by what FDA document? Post it. |
Originally Posted by GucciBoy
(Post 3190942)
Superseded by what FDA document? Post it.
You should just give it up. Move on. |
Originally Posted by Phins2right
(Post 3190949)
You're akin to the black knight in Monty Python and the holy grail.
You should just give it up. Move on. |
Is it possible to mute a whole thread? Seriously.
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