Whistle blower Karlean Pettit
03-11-2023, 08:45 AM
#311
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
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Originally Posted by OOfff
My favorite doublespeak from pilots is how fatiguing deadheads and sits are but also how restful commuting and sitting in the lounge is.
But, as human nature goes, DH is not analogous to commuting. Commuters choose that, therefore can only blame themselves if they commute in a middle seat. Even if they are 6,5" they are just happy for a seat. That same 6'5" pilot when forced to DH thinks better seating(other than middle steerage) is onerous and should be rectified by the perpetrator inflicting the duress....namely the company. Not hard to understand that logic. I haven't seen any commuters advocating for premium seating for their commute.
Commuting and rest is like long haul flying. Some can do it, others can't handle it. No right or wrong. Personally, I have no problem falling asleep on the DH/Commute on taxi out if I need sleep.
Will big brother be watching me on a 5am commute until report? Will they be watching me on a 6 mile run in 95 degree temperature 2 hours prior to report mid rotation or prior to my drive in to base?
Since we all have to self certify fitness prior to flight, why are we trying to legislate personal "rest" equivalencies? Just because we like to have a good discussion and bring up what-about-isms?
03-11-2023, 08:56 AM
#312
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Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 6,716
Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
You might be conflating different groups of people. My Venn diagram shows an intersection of 2 groups. That specific intersecting group(the 3rd group) will always double speak and complain about anything and everything.... they are marginalized due to their nature. The other two groups is who you are conflating. The non commuters want to point at DH and complain. The commuters(influenced by their commuting history) accept the DH and largely don't think much about it.
But, as human nature goes, DH is not analogous to commuting. Commuters choose that, therefore can only blame themselves if they commute in a middle seat. Even if they are 6,5" they are just happy for a seat. That same 6'5" pilot when forced to DH thinks better seating(other than middle steerage) is onerous and should be rectified by the perpetrator inflicting the duress....namely the company. Not hard to understand that logic. I haven't seen any commuters advocating for premium seating for their commute.
Commuting and rest is like long haul flying. Some can do it, others can't handle it. No right or wrong. Personally, I have no problem falling asleep on the DH/Commute on taxi out if I need sleep.
Will big brother be watching me on a 5am commute until report? Will they be watching me on a 6 mile run in 95 degree temperature 2 hours prior to report mid rotation or prior to my drive in to base?
Since we all have to self certify fitness prior to flight, why are we trying to legislate personal "rest" equivalencies? Just because we like to have a good discussion and bring up what-about-isms?
But, as human nature goes, DH is not analogous to commuting. Commuters choose that, therefore can only blame themselves if they commute in a middle seat. Even if they are 6,5" they are just happy for a seat. That same 6'5" pilot when forced to DH thinks better seating(other than middle steerage) is onerous and should be rectified by the perpetrator inflicting the duress....namely the company. Not hard to understand that logic. I haven't seen any commuters advocating for premium seating for their commute.
Commuting and rest is like long haul flying. Some can do it, others can't handle it. No right or wrong. Personally, I have no problem falling asleep on the DH/Commute on taxi out if I need sleep.
Will big brother be watching me on a 5am commute until report? Will they be watching me on a 6 mile run in 95 degree temperature 2 hours prior to report mid rotation or prior to my drive in to base?
Since we all have to self certify fitness prior to flight, why are we trying to legislate personal "rest" equivalencies? Just because we like to have a good discussion and bring up what-about-isms?
My only real opinion on the entire subject is that rotation consistency is a true safety improvement, but will never happen.
03-11-2023, 09:12 AM
#314
Can’t find crew pickup
Joined APC: Jun 2021
Posts: 1,985
Originally Posted by Jaww
So are pilots living in domicile sleeping in because of the decision to live in base? Is there something unique about their family sleep schedule that is different from a commuter’s sleep schedule? How is the drive to work? I hear traffic in some of our domiciles can be a real pain in the neck. How is the parking lot situation? Security lines in the big airport that you know you will be randomed in. That should be factored in too then. Your argument is not a great one.
If deadheads don’t count towards FDP (at least for FAA) then neither does commuting.
Good on your for doing what’s right to be rested though. I applaud that. Everyone is different.
If deadheads don’t count towards FDP (at least for FAA) then neither does commuting.
Good on your for doing what’s right to be rested though. I applaud that. Everyone is different.
FWIW, every time I have had a late fellow pilot or missing a FA it’s been a local…
03-11-2023, 10:35 AM
#315
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Posts: 325
Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
I never said that. Those problems absolutely exist for drivers. I was just speaking to my own experience.
FWIW, every time I have had a late fellow pilot or missing a FA it’s been a local…
FWIW, every time I have had a late fellow pilot or missing a FA it’s been a local…
03-11-2023, 10:46 AM
#316
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Joined APC: Dec 2022
Posts: 85
Originally Posted by OOfff
My favorite doublespeak from pilots is how fatiguing deadheads and sits are but also how restful commuting and sitting in the lounge is.
Another favorite pilot double speak: Claiming their schedule sucks as they pick up another green slip.
03-11-2023, 12:48 PM
#317
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Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 104
Originally Posted by CBreezy
I don't worry about any of that either and I haven't spent money on hotels in a long time. Of course, $150 is like 40 minutes of pay which is less than 4% of the total value of my trip. In the grand scheme, it's negligible
03-11-2023, 02:12 PM
#320
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Originally Posted by Fastpilot
I’d rather be a commuter than live in base…said no one ever.
But the more appropriate statement is, 'id rather live where I live and commute than move to any Delta base." Hard pass on all of them.
