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Breadcream 03-15-2021 05:50 AM

Alright, all bids are in. How long until we see the results? I’m guessing COB on Wednesday...gives them 15 days to cleanup the inverse assignments and then we get the real AE in the beginning of April.

Gone Flying 03-15-2021 06:00 AM


Originally Posted by Breadcream (Post 3207192)
Alright, all bids are in. How long until we see the results? I’m guessing COB on Wednesday...gives them 15 days to cleanup the inverse assignments and then we get the real AE in the beginning of April.

dont they have to have it by COB Tuesday to have 15 days ending on March 31st?

either way my bet is 5pm Tuesday the 16th

Breadcream 03-15-2021 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3207198)
dont they have to have it by COB Tuesday to have 15 days ending on March 31st?

either way my bet is 5pm Tuesday the 16th

I mean...yeah you’re right if they’re shooting for 1 Apr. I guess I was being a little more general with my Wednesday prediction rationale.

I hope yours is right!

172skychicken 03-15-2021 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by crazyjaydawg (Post 3207180)
I agree with what you’re saying regarding the AE, but the news about bookings was kind of a $h!1 sandwich. They’re expecting total revenues for Q1 to be on the bottom of guidance and expenses will be higher than guidance.

The future booking news is very good news for pilots though.

I think that was misquoted. I believe it's that the DECLINE will be at the low range of the forecast. AKA, total revenues at the higher end of the forecast range.

PilotWombat 03-15-2021 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by Breadcream (Post 3207192)
Alright, all bids are in. How long until we see the results? I’m guessing COB on Wednesday...gives them 15 days to cleanup the inverse assignments and then we get the real AE in the beginning of April.

Heck man, I'm pretty sure they've already converted us out of Affected Pilot status. I bypassed the last AE, and my paycheck this morning was based on UNA status (reserve guarantee rather than 72 hours). I think they hated this whole Affect Pilot thing so much they did it retroactively.

Breadcream 03-15-2021 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by PilotWombat (Post 3207216)
Heck man, I'm pretty sure they've already converted us out of Affected Pilot status. I bypassed the last AE, and my paycheck this morning was based on UNA status (reserve guarantee rather than 72 hours). I think they hated this whole Affect Pilot thing so much they did it retroactively.

Yeah I’ve been watching that too. I believe we’re still getting paid based on UNA status because we still have that CARES money rolling in.

Danger Close 03-15-2021 10:29 AM

Is getting guys current again going to be done in any sort of seniority order?

Iceberg 03-15-2021 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by Danger Close (Post 3207327)
Is getting guys current again going to be done in any sort of seniority order?

It sounds like they are going to prioritize those that can be returned to the line with short requal training events. If they mass convert on April 1st or a similar date they can schedule however they want with no concern of pay protection since it would already be baked in. I also think they will post the next AE shortly after and that could affect the timing for training too.

fishforfun 03-15-2021 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3207340)
It sounds like they are going to prioritize those that can be returned to the line with short requal training events. If they mass convert on April 1st or a similar date they can schedule however they want with no concern of pay protection since it would already be baked in. I also think they will post the next AE shortly after and that could affect the timing for training too.

I don’t think they are even going to start scheduling training dates or events until the April AE is closed. Wouldn’t make sense to.

Amike 03-15-2021 11:25 AM

There seems to be a disconnect with how the company thinks conversions will go versus the actual language in 20-04.

Thinking out loud here:

An affected pilot doesn't become an active pilot until training (or conversion if no training is required). An affected pilot must be given 30 days notice before training. An affected pilot has no obligation to the company. And an affected pilot will not incur a seat lock on an AE.

Basically, my interpretation is they can convert everyone tomorrow if they want but that is not the trigger to move from affected to active status. So say April rolls around and they post another AE, and despite being awarded and converted on the March AE, I will still be an affected pilot since I haven't been to training. Therefore I will again not have a seat lock on the April AE award.

All this business about locking us all into this second AE award is suspect.


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