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dbrownie 07-23-2021 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3266138)
No surprise the aircraft will physically be in Delta possession so but those planes will require a lot of work before entry into service at Delta. Probably full C check, completely new interior and IFE rewiring, HUDs installed, cockpit reconfigured to Delta standard, Viasat installed, Scimitar installed, Paint etc etc. Maybe on the next town hall somebody can ask how long will it take to turn over each plane.

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Other than the C check and paint, interior why spend the money on the other stuff? Other fleets have lots of variations in the cockpits for example, do we really need Huds?

waldo135 07-23-2021 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by dbrownie (Post 3267776)
Other than the C check and paint, interior why spend the money on the other stuff? Other fleets have lots of variations in the cockpits for example, do we really need Huds?

Pretty sure HUD required for CAT II or CAT III.

contrails 07-23-2021 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by dbrownie (Post 3267776)
Other than the C check and paint, interior why spend the money on the other stuff? Other fleets have lots of variations in the cockpits for example, do we really need Huds?

Just because the 7ER is a non-standardized mess with transponders, TCAS, radars, and whatever else scattered around different places in the cockpit, doesn't mean that a new batch of a different airplane type should also be allowed to be the same, especially when they are going to be around for 20 years.

I think the 737 is a POS and it's sad that we're acquiring them, although at least they aren't MAXs so hopefully the end-date to these 737s is ~20 years away instead of 30.

Having said that, standardization is important. Even in a stupid, antiquated piece of junk.

Bergman 07-23-2021 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by contrails (Post 3267799)
Just because the 7ER is a non-standardized mess with transponders, TCAS, radars, and whatever else scattered around different places in the cockpit, doesn't mean that a new batch of a different airplane type should also be allowed to be the same, especially when they are going to be around for 20 years.

I think the 737 is a POS and it's sad that we're acquiring them, although at least they aren't MAXs so hopefully the end-date to these 737s is ~20 years away instead of 30.

Having said that, standardization is important. Even in a stupid, antiquated piece of junk.

Tell us what you really think. 🤣

Trip7 07-23-2021 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by Bergman (Post 3267806)
Tell us what you really think. [emoji1787]

After flying the MD88 I could clearly understand the hate for that fleet. I can't for the life of me, understand the vitriol hate for the 73N. Flys great, easy to land, and the few extra switches you have hit is overcome by the absolutely fantastic avionics package and very capable FMS(makes alternate planning a breeze). But biggest complaint is the noise which is entirely eliminated by Hot Mics(kudos to Tech Ops for the 800 and older 900 retrofits).

But the more hate it gets the better my seniority will be so maybe I should zip it

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notEnuf 07-23-2021 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3267815)
After flying the MD88 I could clearly understand the hate for that fleet. I can't for the life of me, understand the vitriol hate for the 73N. Flys great, easy to land, and the few extra switches you have hit is overcome by the absolutely fantastic avionics package and very capable FMS(makes alternate planning a breeze). But biggest complaint is the noise which is entirely eliminated by Hot Mics(kudos to Tech Ops for the 800 and older 900 retrofits).

But the more hate it gets the better my seniority will be so maybe I should zip it

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It's the highest paid NB fleet. That's all I know. Paid for cramped suffering. Ridiculous switch farm overhead, little room for recline and chair position, 60 year old caution alerting, tail stand, engine mounting/balance issues, loud, crew baggage space, tail clearance TO/LNDG, wet performance on grooved runways... just to name a few. I'm sure some Frenchie will be along shortly with some mumbling about yokes and tables too.

But I can adapt and have.

JamesBond 07-23-2021 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by contrails (Post 3267799)
Just because the 7ER is a non-standardized mess with transponders, TCAS, radars, and whatever else scattered around different places in the cockpit, doesn't mean that a new batch of a different airplane type should also be allowed to be the same, especially when they are going to be around for 20 years.

I think the 737 is a POS and it's sad that we're acquiring them, although at least they aren't MAXs so hopefully the end-date to these 737s is ~20 years away instead of 30.

Having said that, standardization is important. Even in a stupid, antiquated piece of junk.

Man did you get spoiled somewhere along your journey.

JamesBond 07-23-2021 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3267827)
It's the highest paid NB fleet. That's all I know. Paid for cramped suffering. Ridiculous switch farm overhead, little room for recline and chair position, 60 year old caution alerting, tail stand, engine mounting/balance issues, loud, crew baggage space, tail clearance TO/LNDG, wet performance on grooved runways... just to name a few. I'm sure some Frenchie will be along shortly with some mumbling about yokes and tables too.

But I can adapt and have.

Having to put a tail stand on an airplane is ****ty design. Sorry, but it is. I can't comment on the rest of the stuff because I have only flown the "classic".

fishforfun 07-23-2021 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3267860)
Having to put a tail stand on an airplane is ****ty design. Sorry, but it is. I can't comment on the rest of the stuff because I have only flown the "classic".

The classic is no different, just with pretty screens and a fancy computer. Everything else is the same.

Trip7 07-23-2021 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3267827)
It's the highest paid NB fleet. That's all I know. Paid for cramped suffering. Ridiculous switch farm overhead, little room for recline and chair position, 60 year old caution alerting, tail stand, engine mounting/balance issues, loud, crew baggage space, tail clearance TO/LNDG, wet performance on grooved runways... just to name a few. I'm sure some Frenchie will be along shortly with some mumbling about yokes and tables too.



But I can adapt and have.

Cramped suffering; I'll give you that. It's a tight fit, especially if you're tall. Have to go out the cockpit to really get a good stretch. I try to at least get out of the seat and stretch every 90 mins

Ridiculous Switch Farm Overhead and Alerting system; Extremely easy compared to the 88. Figured out the flows in 10 mins. 88 took me days. Alerting system is terrible. Good news is hardly any MELs because the plane only tells you when something really is wrong. No constant CB resets like other fleets.

Tail stand; Who cares? We're not ACS

Engine Mounting/Balance issues; Never heard of this. Again, who cares? We're not Performance Engineering

Crew Baggage; I'll give ya that. It sucks especially for FOs on the 900 with a tight commute unless they have a cool non commuting Captain

Tail Clearance TO/LND; Definitely a threat. Know your liftoff and tails trike pitch attitudes and don't get slow in the flare. Plane still way easier to land then T-tails

Wet performance on grooved rwy; Who cares? Run the LPR, land in the first 1500ft



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