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TED74 07-23-2021 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by contrails (Post 3267914)
Why shouldn't every airliner have something as simple as a hot mic to provide clear communication while wearing a headset that reduces background noise, for instance?
=12pt

Every C-152 I ever rented had a VOX intercom - superior to hot mic (set to hot mic if that’s what you prefer). I’ll never understand why 121 jets aren’t configured with this option, or at least none I’ve ever flown. If I were king for a day, I might require their installation.

cornbeef007 07-23-2021 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3267944)
737:

Pros:
+ Fun to handfly, Boeing engineers believed in hydraulics, Douglas engineers thought is was witchcraft.
+ Very few MEL's. (Highest dispatch rate at Delta right now.)
+ 777 screens with excellent external SA.
+ Can cool down a cabin in August in no time, nothing like ice crystal icing -- in the flight deck on the hottest day of the year.
+ Hands down the best narrowbody bid packages.

Cons:
- OMG, I have to flip a few more switches on the overhead. I have to look for lights to see what's wrong. How will I recover from the trauma? -- I know, on a beach on a 24-hr all inclusive.

You must be trying to get guys to bid off the bus:) The plane has some good traits but let’s be honest about the @“itty ones.

I’ll add a few cons:

The recall system…doesn’t work correctly more than half of the time. Absolutely a 1960’s design.

Loud…but correctable with a $1000.00 headset

Frost on the top of the wing…yes we need sprayed when no one else does.

Climate control is garbage unless it’s working correctly, which has been better lately…Tec Ops maybe.

900 needs more landing techniques compared with any other aircraft I’ve flown..you would rather fly 10 fast than 1 knot slow. Maybe that’s why we get a report with all aspects of available data for every takeoff and landing.


Forward galley is smaller than a regional jet.

Flight deck is smaller than a regional jet for that matter.

FO need to store bag in forward closet, where FAs stack their stuff on yours. In a 900 FO needs to swim upstream to mid cabin order to retrieve bag.

Toilet seat won’t stay up…saw someone write that up the other day! Must be their “thing” but made me laugh.

Every one of these is compared to other aircraft in general. When compared directly to a 320, the list could be much larger.

Nantonaku 07-23-2021 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by cornbeef007 (Post 3268076)
The plane has some good traits but let’s be honest about the @“itty ones.

I’ll add a few cons:

The recall system…doesn’t work correctly more than half of the time. Absolutely a 1960’s design.

Loud…but correctable with a $1000.00 headset

Frost on the top of the wing…yes we need sprayed when no one else does.

Climate control is garbage unless it’s working correctly, which has been better lately…Tec Ops maybe.

900 needs more landing techniques compared with any other aircraft I’ve flown..you would rather fly 10 fast than 1 knot slow.


Forward galley is smaller than a regional jet.

Flight deck is smaller than a regional jet for that matter.

FO need to store bag in forward closet, where FAs stack their stuff on yours. In a 900 FO needs to swim upstream to mid cabin order to retrieve bag.

Toilet seat won’t stay up…saw someone write that up the other day! Must be their “thing”.



Every one of these is compared to other aircraft. When compared directly to a 320, the list could be much larger.

Huge con. Just walking into the cockpit triggers claustrophobia.

BlueSkies 07-23-2021 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by cornbeef007 (Post 3268076)
You must be trying to get guys to bid off the bus:) The plane has some good traits but let’s be honest about the @“itty ones.

I’ll add a few cons:

The recall system…doesn’t work correctly more than half of the time. Absolutely a 1960’s design.

Loud…but correctable with a $1000.00 headset

Frost on the top of the wing…yes we need sprayed when no one else does.

Climate control is garbage unless it’s working correctly, which has been better lately…Tec Ops maybe.

900 needs more landing techniques compared with any other aircraft I’ve flown..you would rather fly 10 fast than 1 knot slow. Maybe that’s why we get a report with all aspects of available data for every takeoff and landing.


Forward galley is smaller than a regional jet.

Flight deck is smaller than a regional jet for that matter.

FO need to store bag in forward closet, where FAs stack their stuff on yours. In a 900 FO needs to swim upstream to mid cabin order to retrieve bag.

Toilet seat won’t stay up…saw someone write that up the other day! Must be their “thing” but made me laugh.

Every one of these is compared to other aircraft in general. When compared directly to a 320, the list could be much larger.

Oh man that is hilarious!

Big E 757 07-23-2021 09:10 PM


Originally Posted by 172skychicken (Post 3267950)
I agree with all of that except the bolded portion. The 900 is arguably the worst cabin experience deadheading in the mainline fleet, and the airflow issues are a huge part of it. I know it has the newer IFE and everything, but the cramped seats, low airflow, and a long taxi on a hot summer day makes for a painful experience. The cockpit does keep nice and cool, though.

I was going to comment on that too....if it’s got such great AC, why am I always sitting in a puddle of sweat when I’m deadheading? Mid cabin on the old 320’s is no picnic either. I think it’s our older FA’s calling the cockpit that cause the warmer cabins personally.

Trip7 07-24-2021 02:01 AM


Originally Posted by cornbeef007 (Post 3268076)
You must be trying to get guys to bid off the bus:) The plane has some good traits but let’s be honest about the @“itty ones.



I’ll add a few cons:



The recall system…doesn’t work correctly more than half of the time. Absolutely a 1960’s design.



Loud…but correctable with a $1000.00 headset



Frost on the top of the wing…yes we need sprayed when no one else does.



Climate control is garbage unless it’s working correctly, which has been better lately…Tec Ops maybe.



900 needs more landing techniques compared with any other aircraft I’ve flown..you would rather fly 10 fast than 1 knot slow. Maybe that’s why we get a report with all aspects of available data for every takeoff and landing.





Forward galley is smaller than a regional jet.



Flight deck is smaller than a regional jet for that matter.



FO need to store bag in forward closet, where FAs stack their stuff on yours. In a 900 FO needs to swim upstream to mid cabin order to retrieve bag.



Toilet seat won’t stay up…saw someone write that up the other day! Must be their “thing” but made me laugh.



Every one of these is compared to other aircraft in general. When compared directly to a 320, the list could be much larger.

Recall System... It is an outdated pain but the positive is no nuisance messages that need to be cleared. High dispatch reliability.

The plane is loud, but every jet has hot mic. David Clark Pro X is most commonly used headset. $750

Frost on top of the wing...havent encountered frost from cold soaked fuel yet but if it's within a certain area marked on the wing we're good to go no deice

Climate control works fine. Set AAA or ATT and adjust from there.

900 has one technique... Don't land below Vref.

Forward galley? We're not FAs

FO bag situation is a major pain on the 900. Especially when your bag is buried behind all the FAs. 800 is not bad. Similar to 717/88.

I flew the CRJ at the regionals. 737 cockpit is substantially bigger.

Toilet seat won't stay up... Really? [emoji23]

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theUpsideDown 07-24-2021 04:45 AM

FOs bag goes in overhead in 900. Ignore the closet.

Jodaaddy 07-24-2021 04:52 AM


Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 3268165)
FOs bag goes in overhead in 900. Ignore the closet.

This. If it’s the last leg of day (or trip), put your bag in first class overhead bin.

notEnuf 07-24-2021 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3268146)
Recall System... It is an outdated pain but the positive is no nuisance messages that need to be cleared. High dispatch reliability.

The plane is loud, but every jet has hot mic. David Clark Pro X is most commonly used headset. $750

Frost on top of the wing...havent encountered frost from cold soaked fuel yet but if it's within a certain area marked on the wing we're good to go no deice

Climate control works fine. Set AAA or ATT and adjust from there.

900 has one technique... Don't land below Vref.

Forward galley? We're not FAs

FO bag situation is a major pain on the 900. Especially when your bag is buried behind all the FAs. 800 is not bad. Similar to 717/88.

I flew the CRJ at the regionals. 737 cockpit is substantially bigger.

Toilet seat won't stay up... Really? [emoji23]

Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk

You can enjoy the plane without making excuses for it's short comings. It moves people A to B but its NOT roomy or ergonomic for a 4 hour leg. It has some nice updates like the VSD for RNAV arrivals and a radar with scary mode to keep you out of trouble. The glass has a nice presentation and the HUD is a good low vis tool but mostly gee whiz.

sailingfun 07-24-2021 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3268017)
Every C-152 I ever rented had a VOX intercom - superior to hot mic (set to hot mic if that’s what you prefer). I’ll never understand why 121 jets aren’t configured with this option, or at least none I’ve ever flown. If I were king for a day, I might require their installation.

Its a option on any airliner. Delta chose not to check that block.


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