Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   Delta (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/delta/)
-   -   First Lion Air 737-900 Arriving This Week (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/delta/134438-first-lion-air-737-900-arriving-week.html)

Trip7 07-24-2021 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by cornbeef007 (Post 3268409)
It’s a type that Delta operates, so yes this is about Delta.



My original response was to point out cons of the aircraft because they were neglected in the posters view of the aircraft. As usual, you minimize and marginalize any opinion that could be construed as negative to anything Delta. It’s what you do and most people here realize that.

Aye man, it's my opinion. Do what you want with it. Don't bid, and hate on the 73 all you want, especially if you're senior to me.

Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk

cornbeef007 07-24-2021 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3268420)
Aye man, it's my opinion. Do what you want with it. Don't bid, and hate on the 73 all you want, especially if you're senior to me.

Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk

I don’t hate it man, I’ve been on it for six years and will be here at least two more. I just want people to understand it’s drawbacks, which were being minimized here.

Bucking Bar 07-24-2021 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3268419)
Yes because the 350's technology has removed the ability for a pilot to get fatigued and now two pilots should be able to fly of 12 huh? Does the 350 have a feature that improves pilot alertness? Is there some eye scanning software that keeps a pilots eyelids not only open but focused on the instruments for descent and approach?

Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk

Our Tesla has that ability (camera aimed at the driver and software that categorizes driver activity). The car currently requires minimal torque on the steering wheel to confirm driver monitoring. With the implementation of Full Self Driving the car is switching the monitoring of the driver monitoring to the internal camera. If the driver picks up a phone and starts texting the car will warn that automation is being taken away. Then after fair warning, disable the autopilot for the remainder of that trip.

Systems wise the airplane is much more of a complex machine. Then again, Space X rockets seem to land on the X pretty routinely.

Heaven help us if we implement cameras monitoring the pilots monitoring. Look at "study material" the thing beeps at you then takes away the autopilot and auto thrust :-)

What is going to be GREAT is when we can send our CyberTruck to Home Depot, have them load the thing and send it back. That thing would be a death machine without the onboard tech.

The thing is, autonomy is a lot harder than Tesla thought it would be .... and they designed the entire product around the concept (Tesla's are basically CAT3B with dual everything and a monitoring channel). Two brake paths, two steering motors, literally redundancy equal or greater than a 737. I think autonomous aircraft will have to have the capability designed in, not added on.

Bucking Bar 07-24-2021 02:51 PM

The lady who asked me to work on the product started her pitch with "pilots cause 80% of all accidents, so what if we just remove the pilots?"

I said, "you got the wrong guy Lady"

https://www.techexplorist.com/wp-con...otic-pilot.jpg

JamesBond 07-24-2021 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3268419)
Yes because the 350's technology has removed the ability for a pilot to get fatigued and now two pilots should be able to fly of 12 huh? Does the 350 have a feature that improves pilot alertness? Is there some eye scanning software that keeps a pilots eyelids not only open but focused on the instruments for descent and approach?

Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk

Your arrogance is fascinating.... no... it's entertaining.

JamesBond 07-24-2021 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3268448)
Our Tesla has that ability (camera aimed at the driver and software that categorizes driver activity). The car currently requires minimal torque on the steering wheel to confirm driver monitoring. With the implementation of Full Self Driving the car is switching the monitoring of the driver monitoring to the internal camera. If the driver picks up a phone and starts texting the car will warn that automation is being taken away. Then after fair warning, disable the autopilot for the remainder of that trip.

Systems wise the airplane is much more of a complex machine. Then again, Space X rockets seem to land on the X pretty routinely.

Heaven help us if we implement cameras monitoring the pilots monitoring. Look at "study material" the thing beeps at you then takes away the autopilot and auto thrust :-)

What is going to be GREAT is when we can send our CyberTruck to Home Depot, have them load the thing and send it back. That thing would be a death machine without the onboard tech.

The thing is, autonomy is a lot harder than Tesla thought it would be .... and they designed the entire product around the concept (Tesla's are basically CAT3B with dual everything and a monitoring channel). Two brake paths, two steering motors, literally redundancy equal or greater than a 737. I think autonomous aircraft will have to have the capability designed in, not added on.

They are going to be testing driverless Lyft in Miami by year's end. They will have a safety driver on board for awhile, but how long do you reasonably think that would be? A year or two? That is the blink of an eye. And they are talking about that NOW. Personally I think doing an airplane will be easier because you have less congestion to deal with, and once you get to the cruise phase you can put it on autopilot until you wake up the pilot for descent. Maintaining separation between two opposite direction vehicles on some country two lane road going 60 miles/hour has to be much much harder.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technolo...ars-miami-lyft

Funk 07-24-2021 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3268491)
They are going to be testing driverless Lyft in Miami by year's end. They will have a safety driver on board for awhile, but how long do you reasonably think that would be? A year or two? That is the blink of an eye. And they are talking about that NOW. Personally I think doing an airplane will be easier because you have less congestion to deal with, and once you get to the cruise phase you can put it on autopilot until you wake up the pilot for descent. Maintaining separation between two opposite direction vehicles on some country two lane road going 60 miles/hour has to be much much harder.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technolo...ars-miami-lyft


Let’s just say I’m a nefarious, money hungry, not entirely honest individual or group of individuals. The value of hacking a Tesla is peanuts next to an airplane. What’s the value of a remotely piloted 777 full of cargo over the Pacific? A350 full of people? While remotely piloted seems like a great idea for reducing costs, the external control architecture also introduces vulnerabilities that are significant from a technological standpoint and even more significant from a strategic risk standpoint for the first company that bets its future on not getting hacked while an airplane of precious cargo is airborne. Our utility as pilots isn’t at risk as many hype men would like you to believe as they sell their visions of the future.

Planetrain 07-24-2021 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 3268452)
The lady who asked me to work on the product started her pitch with "pilots cause 80% of all accidents, so what if we just remove the pilots?"

I said, "you got the wrong guy Lady"

https://www.techexplorist.com/wp-con...otic-pilot.jpg

I can’t tell, is that a robot arm with a Starbucks cup being dumped on the pedestal?

tipofthe 07-24-2021 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by Planetrain (Post 3268578)
I can’t tell, is that a robot arm with a Starbucks cup being dumped on the pedestal?

Is that a DC3?

Eldee5 07-24-2021 09:37 PM

I can't get the internet to work half the time in the plane, and when it does, it doesn't stay on. I think we're ok with the single pilot/no pilot thing for a while...


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:21 PM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands