Originally Posted by Falcon20 (Post 3279920)

So I saw a rotation that I wanted as a greenie and was covered by my standing request. I was never called and they rerouted a guy to do the flights. I can’t remember what the rotation number was so how do you submit it to the union?

If the rotation was known less than 14 hours before departure it might have been legal to cover with a reroute. The fact they built it as a rotation does not preclude them from doing so. If the rotation was a bid package rotation plug in a flight number for any leg and you can search the bid package. If it was a created rotation it’s going to be a bit harder and will require union help. It is possible that you can pull up the rerouted rotation and the remarks will mention the original rotation number. With that info you can see the rotation history and timeline in Icrew.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3279932)

Thanks I was able to find it by plugging rotation numbers in until I found it as it was a created rotation. I don’t know how to get the rotation history in icrew. Any advice?

Originally Posted by Falcon20 (Post 3279939)

In Icrew go to schedules, open time menu, open time, pilot history. Before clicking pilot history you need to fill out the second data Field. It’s a bit confusing.

Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 3279733)

I agree 100%. I know the contract pretty well and catch scheduling assigning illegal rotations on a regular basis. Last month I had 2, and this month I've had 2 so far. Every time I get an illegal rotation, I call scheduling and tell them. 99% of the time they deny it's illegal and come up with some poor reason why it was assigned. I keep pushing and tell them the exact section in the contract it violated. After that, they always agree, and pay me..I think Delta mgmt tells them to initially deny all illegal rotations when a pilot calls, Putting an ALPA rep in scheduling does nothing for Delta pilots except take money out of our pockets..He helps the company occasionally avoid an illegal rotation.

Originally Posted by DenVa (Post 3279969)

Why were they illegal? Don’t think I’ve ever had one. I guess I need to review the language.

Originally Posted by DenVa (Post 3279969)

Why were they illegal? Don’t think I’ve ever had one. I guess I need to review the language.

Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3279769)

There is a big, big difference in what the line pilot can see, and what ALPA can see. Big. Huge.

Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 3280105)

​​​​My point was that line pilots have access to more information at other airlines. This makes it much easier to spot shenanigans.

Originally Posted by LumberJack (Post 3280105)

​​​​My point was that line pilots have access to more information at other airlines. This makes it much easier to spot shenanigans.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 3279521)

As many as it takes, whatever the cost.

That said, much of the existing delta between CBA compliance and status quo could be caught by a good automatic review system/programs. Part of the rest could be significantly reduced by the DALPA scheduling SME's in the same rooms as the schedulers etc. The remaining could be easily reviewed by hand. If it can't be done within the existing budget, keep the 0.05% and apply it towards that.

Its unreasonable to expect 13,000 pilots to know the entire CBA in real time and properly flag everything including things that depend on a million other moving parts including other pilots's schedules and interconnected coverage sequences. PB/PR days are messed up all the time; the rolling thunder ninjas probably have that on lock, but not everyone does and some situations can get pretty esoteric. Beyond an individual pilot getting shorted, that creates in the blind errors no other pilot could possibly catch unless they are scheduling forensics experts. Its very hard to review something you should have gotten when you have no reasonable expectation to know you should have gotten it. That's 99% DALPA SME or programming review dependant.

Companies know this, and there is a built in default incentive to "deny deny deny" as there is no penalty and substantial reward for doing so. Its also the inevitable result of hard (over?) working schedulers sincerely doing their best while simultaneously trying to put out hundreds of interconnected fires at the same time. Its not all nefarious intent, nor is most of it. But errors can rapidly cascade into missed money/days off for numerous pilots down the line, directly and indirectly. If someone else doesn't get the proper PB days for example, 30 pilots down the line someone gets a trip instead of stayng home, or someone else misses a GS they had no ability to ever knew should have existed. All the errors add up to costing DALPA dues money too, so there's that.

100% compliance on RR, coverages, PB/PR and other major interconnected scheduling items should be the goal. These things should be automatically caught by computer review or manually looked at by SME's who are the ninjas that 13,000 line pilots can't ever be.

Originally Posted by tunes (Post 3280442)

have you volunteered to help the scheduling committee?

Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 3288386)

ACE now has a glossary of DBMS codes on the front page.

Originally Posted by BlueSkies (Post 3280421)

Exactly. You have to ask yourself why the regular line pilot doesn't have access to this info at DAL. The only reasonable answer I can come up with is that it would cost the Co. money because more pilots would catch mistakes.

Here's another question, why doesn't DAL automate more of the trip construction process? If there are so many problems with illegally constructed rotations (most probably being honest mistakes by overworked schedulers) how about you automate it so it must follow the PWA. I think a major corporation like DAL could pull that off.

Originally Posted by Falcon20 (Post 3288615)

This is not a complaint on the scheduling committee.

I submitted a report on the 2nd and it just got resolved today.

Originally Posted by Falcon20 (Post 3288615)

This is not a complaint on the scheduling committee.

I submitted a report on the 2nd and it just got resolved today.

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 3288758)

That's pretty quick. I submitted a claim in June and it got resolved mid August.

Originally Posted by theUpsideDown (Post 3288785)

Alright well, not as excited about that timeline, but i like the app and I have high hopes. At least it isn't 3 months.

Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3288786)

That's how mine's tracking. Put in near the end of June, sent to the company for RR pay middle of July. Still waiting...

Originally Posted by Falcon20 (Post 3288817)

I had to call the company 4 times to get my time card correct so when the union looked at it they were able to agree that the company had paid me correctly

Originally Posted by priorwhat (Post 3288869)

so you did what you are supposed to do by making the company do what it is supposed to do. There are a lot of claims that are getting paid before the committee gets to them.

Originally Posted by Falcon20 (Post 3288875)

Yes I did. That was mostly meant to say that if you know that the company is in the wrong you can help expedite the process by pestering scheduling. However, some submissions aren’t as clear and you need to hear back from the union and then wait for the company to pay.

I personally think it’s still important to submit it to the union to make sure that we are compensated correctly

Originally Posted by priorwhat (Post 3288885)

I apologize if I came off as accusatory, I was trying to point out that most pilots never contact the company at all. You however did the right thing by knowing there was a violation and following up. I would also suggest posting a comment to your ACE claim if the situation is resolved as it will save the committee time by not having to research that claim to prove you already got what you were supposed to get.

Originally Posted by Techniqueonly (Post 3293906)

I’ve seen trips in open time that would likely go out as green slips disappear and not show up in the daily trip coverage for my base and aircraft. Is there any way to track where those trips go to make sure they are being legally assigned? I’m happy to file a report through the ace app or alpa form to make sure someone is getting paid for a green slip they should have gotten but I wanted to make sure there wasn’t a way for me to see exactly what happened to the trip before I blindly did that. Any suggestions?

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3354103)

Anyone else think it's ridiculous that the ace app is backed up to 25 days last time I heard? There was a time when I would get a response from the scheduling committee on the same day. This was all pre-covid and before the union purge. 25 days. 3 1/2 weeks. Absurd.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3354103)

Anyone else think it's ridiculous that the ace app is backed up to 25 days last time I heard? There was a time when I would get a response from the scheduling committee on the same day. This was all pre-covid and before the union purge. 25 days. 3 1/2 weeks. Absurd.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3354103)

Anyone else think it's ridiculous that the ace app is backed up to 25 days last time I heard? There was a time when I would get a response from the scheduling committee on the same day. This was all pre-covid and before the union purge. 25 days. 3 1/2 weeks. Absurd.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3354103)

Anyone else think it's ridiculous that the ace app is backed up to 25 days last time I heard? There was a time when I would get a response from the scheduling committee on the same day. This was all pre-covid and before the union purge. 25 days. 3 1/2 weeks. Absurd.

Originally Posted by tunes (Post 3354273)

You are welcome to join us working them


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Originally Posted by tunes (Post 3354273)

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Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 3354281)

I think it's ridiculous that you're complaining about the ALPA volunteers that are processing the ACE reports. I flew with one the other day - he is dedicated, works hard and said two things. First, the reroutes, 23K and inexperienced schedulers are causing the number of reports to shoot up, and 2, a decent number of the issues could be resolved with a phone call to scheduling by the pilot. (he understands they take forever to answer the phone now) but often they can rectify the issue then and there.

Example - I had an ARCOS call in the middle of the night - I noticed (in my groggy state) that the batch size was too big. I screenshotted it and went back to sleep. Next afternoon, I called scheduling - after ten minutes on the phone while they researched it, I had 2 hours of pay on my schedule. Problem solved.

And like others said, WE are ALPA - if you don't like how ALPA is doing something, reach out to your reps, and join a committee. There seems to be plenty of work to go around.