Contact the Sched Committee Chair
 

Highly recommend you reach out to SK....as he will be more than willing to tell you exactly what his team is doing to work the ACE reports.

He will also tell you that he is maxed out on number of worker bees currently because of the amount of funding he gets....when I chatted with him recently he said he had requested more funding so he could hire more folks.

The ACE app is easy -- kudos to the developers, and to ALPA. Getting someone to answer the Crew Scheduling phone to resolve a problem is nearly impossible. In my opinion, this combination leads to the aforementioned backlog of ACE reports.

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​​​​​​If we paid every volunteer for their work, your dues rate would be like 25%. Relax man. It'll get done. No one cares how much you paid in dues and nor does how much you paid relate to how fast your scheduling report gets rectified.

If you wanted it to go faster, you need to use your own unpaid time to volunteer.

nobody thinks it’s acceptable all the time, but right now is an extraordinary time. Calm down and wait out the process

I get the frustration, especially after thinking the company is jerking you around. I really do understand. We’ve all been there.

You’ll get paid, it just takes time. Whether you get the money now, or in your next month’s check, you will get it.

Just need to have some patience. Direct your anger at the company’s continued PWA violations, not at the volunteers working to help you.

For every sched violation I input, I send an email to the CPO highlighting the fact this is going on quite frequently out there.

If they are blind to it now, then maybe more of us sharing this with our "management" gives them visibility as well.

It doesn't take long to type up a quick email, I try to CC my LEC reps as well. Although I know they are fully aware of the issues and not trying to spam them out.

If you're so strapped for cash that you can't live for a month without that extra pay then I humbly submit these money saving tips to help you out of this tight spot you've found yourself in:

1) Consider making coffee at home instead of buying it from a coffee shop
2) Buy generic brand items instead of name brand products
3) Pack a lunch instead of buying it each day, and consider only eating out for dinner once per month
4) Bundle up in socks, sweaters, and warm pants instead of running an expensive heater in your home
5) Utilize your local library instead of buying expensive books

It's tough being a commuting narrow body FO after 15 years, but hopefully these tips and tricks will help ease the strain of not receiving that extra pay for a month.

For once I have to agree with OOfff on this one, Hockey I am normally in agreement with you 90+% of the time, but not on this one my friend.

Angst not at the DALPA sched folks, they are trying hard and working thru the mess the kompany has created. I'm thankful we have this group working on our side for us.

You'll get paid. Hopefully that dude/dudette that didn't get that greenie gets paid too!!!

OOfff hitting the nail on the head. Nice post my friend :)

Prior to the holiday meltdowns, we had around 150 Ace reports and were less than a week response time. We currently have 1110 reports in the queue and are about to start working Dec 25th reports. If it was a violation of the PWA, you will get your pay. In the meantime, you can reach out to your CPO and Crew Scheduling to have them make you whole. It is the company who violated your contract, not the ALPA volunteers who are advocating for your pay remedies.

Don't forget how much good food is tossed out behind restaurants each year. That’s some good savings.

I recall from my -88 days a certain guy, mit phone clip on belt, white NB sticking out of the dumpster behind the Chili's at FAY layover.

Rumor has it he's trolling around there still......

Sadly, I can picture that.

I believe there was a bankruptcy era memo from NWA that offered up some savings suggestions and dumpster diving was on it. I wasn’t here but someone else may be able to verify that.

I think the joke is referring to the NWA days when they declared bankruptcy and were cutting everyone’s pay.

The company actually mailed out fliers that suggest people dumpster dive for food and clothes…

As a separate aside, can crew assist help explain pay issues? I would love to ask crew scheds first, but I also don’t want to be on hold for 8 hours.

I got through last night in under a minute. I think things are returning to normal.

In regards to number 4...if your heater goes out on first year pay, its required:eek:

Sometimes getting ahold of them doesn’t even help. I had a GS this month where a couple of legs were cancelled and when the trip closed my time card had been reduced by 3+ hours from when the trip started. I actually got ahold of a scheduler and she said rotation guarantee didn’t apply to Green Slips. I was pretty sure that was wrong so I asked to speak to a supervisor. “Supervisor is swamped, suggest you contact your Chief Pilot.” Got ahold of a Chief Pilot and he said he thought maybe the scheduler was right but that they were swamped with Covid verifications so he didn’t have time to track it down and suggested I submit in the Ace App. Everyone was very polite but my impression was that they were just trying to keep their head above water and didn’t want to deal with anything in the rear view mirror.

My feedback to the Chief Pilot was that there has to be a better way to solve these time card/pay issues than talking to an already busy scheduler on the phone. I have at least one issue a month so extrapolate that out over 13,000 pilots and you have lots of wasted Pilot and scheduler time. I suggested a form similar to what we use for pay back days. That way they can be handled during the slow hours AND by someone who actually knows what they are doing.

The company could have their own version of the ACE app. Instead of ACE for Automatic Contract Enforcement, it could be called PEWTAE for Paying Employees What They Actually Earned. They could program it to just pay people correctly in the first place. Maybe it could also be programmed to follow the contract.

ACE app also has a pay code list too which can be helpful.

I have several “pending” reports hoping the back log gets caught up.

I don’t have a PWA reference one way or the other, but my experience/understanding for years has always been that - on a regular line - greenslips do have rotation guarantee as it is published for first 100% (essentially, as if it were straight time/ white slip). The second 100% (the “green” part, if you will) only gets applied after the rotation closes and goes by what is actually flown or rigged in the trip.

Two years ago, I was pulled off from a 4day greenslip on day 3 due to an FAR violation (long duty days). My timecard showed 21:00 at the top in row with the rotation date and number, and then 15:45 on the greenslip section.

I am not certain how reserve green gets paid in your scenario but maybe someone can get a pwa reference or provide input to that realm. I’d imagine it’s just the same (only “green” for what is flown/rigged after the rotation ends).

This is correct.

For reserve, you get only what you fly. If they cut you loose early, you loose pay for that block time, but ADG and trip rigs still apply. Also Res gets nothing for a NOOP, unless you happen to sign in before it NOOPs, in which case you get a whopping 2 hours of suit up pay. But the downside of that is, you then will need 10 hours before you can re-pick up a GS...

This is one of the things I put on my survey - Establish a Reserve rotation guarantee. If I accept a GS based on an expectation, and for company convenience the company cuts me loose early/buys the end for OE, I should still get paid, IMO. Same thing would go for a simple reserve assignment, You get the Credit as soon as it hits your schedule. If you call in sick after a reserve assignment, they will dock your sick bank after all. In the end, make it simple - regardless of Reg/Res/Recovery, you get paid if you pick it up. Probably won't ever happen, but it should.

I am a line holder.

Looking at 4F1 and 4F7 it shows GS as having rotation guarantee. 23U1 talks about double pay no credit for GS rotations. No where do I see a reference to any stipulation that the double pay portion only gets paid as flown. It was built as a 3-day and flown as a 3-day. Just had 2 less legs on the 2nd day.

I certainly could be wrong and there Might be a reference buried somewhere but I couldn’t find it.

PWA 23.U.
1. GS
a. A regular pilot who has flown a GS rotation:



You can further get into the how you want to break down which portion (assuming you're above the GS trigger) gets paid. I prefer the 100% original rotation guarantee + 100% for the rotation you flew. You can go day by day as well, but it all comes out the same.

I interpret that to mean if you don’t fly the rotation you don’t get the double pay. Not that the rotation is only paid for the credit flown. Ive done a lot of green slips and don’t ever recall seeing my GS pay being reduced post rotation when it flew less than scheduled. I’ll update when it gets answered by the Union.

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Thanks Tunes.

I just finished another GS that blocked 30 mins less than scheduled but the GS pay stayed at the original rotation guarantee when it closed. Why was this different than operating less legs on one of the days?

because it probably still paid ADG?

Minutes Under?

This is a block-or-better air line. If you fly the leg on a GS, you get paid scheduled block or better. If you don’t fly the leg, it affects the pay accordingly (on a GS).

Hmm. I just underblocked on a GS and I'm still getting paid the original rotation guarantee. All rigs still apply.

Did you fly all the scheduled legs? If so you were paid for the entire rotation as published. If they had lopped off a day or lopped off enough legs that adg was lower you would have been paid gs for what you flew and “if reg” single pay for the original guarantee. If you fly as published but get in early you get the whole kit and kaboodle.

I didn't know that, but seem to remember the verbiage. We were rerouted into a DH so that lobbed off 1 live leg and it resulted in a shorter duty day and less block. In any event somehow it washed out the same.

The pay is TRP.

if you flew the legs as scheduled it pays the rotation guarantee, even though underflown. for example, last month i flew a Gs originally worth 22:38. We over blocked a few legs and were up to 23:21 mid rotation...but they ended up chopping the penalty lap off at the end of the rotation on a reroute and we finished early...the trip dropped back down to 21:03. So i got 22:38 orig guarantee + 21:03 as flown.

The ALPA guys working on it are being paid. I don't have any insider view, but I bet it takes a lot of training to get each person up to speed on the intricacies of the contract and reroutes, scheduling issues, etc.

About 8 months to get up to speed


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Today I get an ARCOS callout for a next day GS with a batch size of 1. I respond that I want the trip, then log into iCrew and see the trip was already covered one minute before the ARCOS call. WTF? Are they queuing phantom ARCOS calls to get around the batch size? i.e. They load up 5 ARCOS calls with a batch size of 1 to notify 5 pilots.

ARCOS will start calling the next batch once the previous batch window closes since there is still a delay for the awarded pilot to accept the trip (I think they also have 15 minutes to confirm). When you saw it covered in icrew was there an * next to the pilots employee number showing they had actually acknowledged the trip?

Thanks for the info. I'm an AROCS novice. Yes, there was an * next to the employee number.