Well this was fun. Unity!

Good luck catching him in ATL. He's a NYC based pilot.

Running for a Rep position and already thinks he knows better than DALPA's attorneys. Every single court challenge to employer mandates has been thrown out yet the OP wants to waste DALPA time and energy fighting a losing battle. Not that he has any chance of winning the election but his latest Campaign letter was a doozy. It's like having the My Pillow Guy running for Rep. Here's a snippet for your entertainment:

I am in contact with a group called US Freedom Flyers. They are a group of transportation industry employees who have come together to fight federal and state mandates which aim to strip Citizens of their right to medical freedom. Together, in partnership with Health Freedom Defense Fund and The Davillier Law Group, US Freedom Flyers is leading the way to the preservation of Informed Consent and defending Constitutional rights. They have already gathered massive resources that eclipse those of ALPA, especially in the legal department. Their aim is to push back with the full force of all airlines and concerned passengers, and not let individual grass roots efforts get squashed.

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Yeah I wouldn't want this guy to be my rep. I don't want my dues money going toward that losing battle.

Its a little more complicated than that. Sometimes a tactical loss can aid in a longer term strategy. If we rarely fight anything will the company get more aggressive in violating our PWA? I am not saying that this is a fight worth having, just that sometimes you have to fight even if you think you will lose.

Scoop

Logical talk like that is heresy on a web forum. How dare you!! (Sarcasm for those whose detector is on MEL)

A great counter point even if I don’t agree with fighting this particular battle.

I'm pretty sure the OP isn't the type who's thinking about strategic losses..... #chess #checkers

Sure he is. The strategic loss of the cost of a couple Starbucks is small compared to the gain of FPL and the joys (if you don’t get punched) of the hospitality suite.

Question: if you're NFLY, are you allowed to go to the crew room?

I get that, but isn't this more in the wheelhouse of the ALPA PAC, and not DALPA?

wrong. Everything is for sale. Everything. We just have to agree on the price.

And before you start, tell me you wouldn't take $10 million in your own account to give up XXXXX.

Exactly. I love my job but if someone offered me $3 million after taxes to retire today I'd take it

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True. But this is NOT the hill we want to die on.

NFLYs are why AmEx started having clubs.

False narrative. I reject the premise.

First of all I reject the false lure of the massive payday for things i the first place. We will never get more than a small fraction of the value of a concession in the first place, and often we don't adequately cost the downline effects until after the fact when we're trying to negotiate to fix them. The very example you used is part of my point; there is nothing we can give that will get us 10 million each.

Secondly, there is a moral and ethical foundation that's part of our collective obligation for many things. I'm sure in the early days when pilots started to make safety gains ("schedule with safety" aftferall...) the airlines would have been happy to throw a quick 8/3/3 at them instead. You are senior to me and I will not entertain an offer by the company to remove and staple the top 10% of the list to the bottom of the list with a year 1 longevity reset to go along with it. I don't need to hear how uch "bargaining credit" we would get for something like that; the answer is no, not at any price.

For other things, like adding seats or weight to permitted types to outsource, the answer is also no at any price, however I'm fine with phrasing it as "yes but you can't afford it." 10 million per pilot sounds like a good opener on their end, but we'll also need to fix some work rules, retirement, medical, training pay and AE reform as part of a package deal. That should be the only response for that fake "Indecent Proposal" sophistry of a negotiating paradigm.

So I reject your assumption that "everything is for sale" but I'm willing to play the game. 10 Million per pilot is a good ala carte starting point, but I'll have to see the rest of their offer to see what it adds above that.

Aren’t all you Moakies retired?

Quit coming on here and enjoy your retirement.

“The past is never dead. It’s not even past. “- W Faulkner

If by ‘Moakie’ you mean someone who calls out bull**** FPL usage then yeah, that’s me.

Don’t you have a 30k hospitality suite to freeload at? I guess not, since your team got kicked to the curb.

Maybe go put in some time revamping the DPA website. It’s not looking very super premium.

Talk about a Mic drop.... LOLhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ad6e331c58.gif

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I would be careful putting your crew on a pedestal, lots of FPL and parties back in the day. Buddy was actually offered a job “helping” out on a commuter and it was trying to be sold to him by “lots of days of and FPL if you play it right”.

heard you didn’t last too long in your union position. What happened?

No one likes a FPL sniffer/chaser. You're there to volunteer, trying to milk it is stealing from your fellow pilot.

Plenty of DALPA screw-ups from all of the Administrations but I believe its mainly caused by folks who start out with good intentions and then get enamored with by the "Dark-side" of FPL loss. We need some kind of DALPA term limits.

After 3 years in position - 3 years on the line. 18 months in position - 18 months on the line. The lure of FPL is strong and apparently corrupts many a once pure soul.

Scoop - Just my 2 cents.

If its full time FPL or more than 5 days a month, 100% agree term limits are great. The guy spending 3-5 days a month doing real work where TIME teaches, not so much. I don't know what you do with negotiating committee volunteers though.

The company speaks in terms of relationships, if you spend time building trust and integrity its tough on the company to lose a guy on the committee. Thats probably where the MEC needs to make judgement calls on a volunteer's ability and work ethic.

Some committee positions require a very specific skill set that is acquired over time. Talking to the scheduling guys, the peculiar nature of the way DAL works with the committee, it can take a year to train up a volunteer to “full”. They say the skill is perishable, so a couple days a month probably won’t work.

Assuming committee guys are always training their replacements, you’re always going to have a higher number of volunteers than are absolutely required.

Yeah you're going to talk about the important ones, the contract enforcement, negotiating... Hard fast rules dont work when its the true merit based positions. ...In theory, the MEC should be working so close with those groups he/she/them/*wink* :) should know who is working hard and who isnt.

The MEC position is building on previous work, that should be passable onto the next guy easily enough.

Full disclosure: I don't have a high opinion of the popularity contest positions personally, i decouple reverence from power, thats my bias and it may not be accurate.

NC would have to be for a specific contract, as a matter of fact why not hire professional negotiators? I don't buy the guys can't be replaced argument -especially for committers with multiple members who can have overlapping dates. There may have to be a few one offs but it could be done.......................................if DALPA actually wanted it.

Scoop

There are pros in the room. ALPA National brings them in for every negotiation.

if you've never seen it, the analysts come in and back your people up the whole way. You might be shocked how much pro's are in the process helping/educating/ and just running numbers. If you get down to the wire and there are serious negotiations daily, you'll just see them in the office furiously running pivot tables and costing, then briefing the team when they get back. Honestly, when your negotiators are really hitting on all cylinders its when they have this wealth of knowledge to draw on from the pros.

Having true pro's might be better but- my limited experience- I've seen some pretty great deals from pilots who have the information from months of negotiating.

Honestly, theres probably lots of solutions, I'm just more trusting of the stuff i see work. I dont know how to say this without sounding terse, but the pilots here I've run across have a lot or competing visions and a lot of reactionary takes compared to other pilot groups ive been a part of. There are times we seem to act a little like a mob- for lack of a better term. Certainly the voting down of TA1 was very wise from the outside looking in. I'm not sure if it was wisdom or reactionary luck that got us there.

Hoping for the best though.

Talk to us about how much dues money Brent Allen has spent on top shelf alcohol.

I’ve never used one penny of dues money on alcohol in my 36 years. I’ve always opposed hospitality suites. You can search the record. 90% of my union work I did for free. No flight pay loss. You?

How many years were you a rep?

So when you were at the Board of Directors meeting and in the hospitality suite during the National election debacle you did it all on your own nickel? How noble. No alcohol either. You should have drank up, I heard it was good stuff and lots of it.

Seems like you’re being a bit disingenuous with the FPL thing too. The 10% of the union work that you were compensated for, what was that coded under?

As for me, I’ve never held any position at Delta ALPA. $0.00 FPL or other compensation.
Just an interested bystander.

My beef isn’t with you. I consider you a minor league hanger-on. My gripe is C16 and the grandstanding that’s not living up to the trough swilling. The post you jumped in on.

Nothing going on in CVG?

I would gladly take more reps like those in council 16 versus my reps in 44. At least the west coast reps are advocating FOR our pilots. Look at what our ATL reps have done recently. The chairman wasted thousands of our dues dollars in filing a frivolous lawsuit against a fellow pilot. Our vice-chairman celebrated the death of a line pilot. It’s beyond belief that they were ever elected.

Lawsuit?! That sounds like it isn't remotely true

Wrong. My first attempt at a response was censored so...

Name your price to renounce your religion/politics/ethics.

Churchill: "Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?"
Socialite: "My goodness, Mr. Churchill... Well, I suppose... we would have to discuss terms, of course... "
Churchill: "Would you sleep with me for five pounds?"
Socialite: "Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!"
Churchill: "Madam, we've already established that. Now we are haggling about the price ”

So Rick Harper's family and work are both in CA but he's still running for rep in SLC? How does that work?

SLC guy for over a decade here. I’m 100% fine with that. When the company closed the ER base what were people supposed to do? Bid the 73 so they could be “real” SLC pilots? The smear campaign against Rick and co have showed an ugly, spiteful, juvenile approach to ALPA representation we’ve (mostly) avoided in this base up until now. I’ve read every email and source document both sides recommended and the stark difference in tone is abundantly clear to me.

These new to SLC guys claiming to have the solutions to every ill come across as cheap political attack ad characters. No thanks.

Its irrelevant, that's how it works.

Every base has lots of commuters. Are they all locked out of being reps? If so, why? Even if a majority of that base's pilots want them to be?

He's not a commuter though, he's based in LAX and he and his family lives in LAX. I'm glad he's found a situation that works for him, but how does an LAX based pilot who lives in California qualify him to be a SLC representative?