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Gspeed 10-01-2021 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 3302974)
you mean the same council that has the highest approval rating from their constituents than any other council? That one?

Always more popular to tell people what they want to hear as opposed what they need to hear.

tunes 10-01-2021 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3302990)
Talking big even though it yields little to no results does gain popularity in some Councils. We'll see how long that lasts. I've spoken to multiple neutral folks that worked in the MEC Admin. Apparently Council 16 Reps are hard to work with and don't acknowledge facts unless it goes along with their agenda. Lots of talk of them taking the fullest advantage of FPL as well.

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The holding the line is what led to the gains we got in LOA 20-04, MOU 21-01. BTW, the 16 Chairman voted yes on 2/4 of the LOAs last year and the 16 Vice voted yes on 3/4. So tell me again that they are 'no' to everything? I can also tell you that those statements from your sources are incorrect.

tunes 10-01-2021 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 3302991)
Always more popular to tell people what they want to hear as opposed what they need to hear.

their job is to represent the wishes of their constituents. Considering they were re-elected and polling higher in satisfaction than any other council, they are doing what they were elected to do.

OOfff 10-01-2021 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 3302974)
you mean the same council that has the highest approval rating from their constituents than any other council? That one?

where are the approval ratings published?

tunes 10-02-2021 03:26 AM

LEC Elections
 

Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3303034)
where are the approval ratings published?


It's up to each council to release them from the polling data. We've asked to have them all released and the answer is always "it's up to each individual council"


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Scoop 10-02-2021 05:12 AM

The problem with DALPA as I see it is not with any particular group of Reps - its the structure. We have many well meaning folks that participate and then become totally enthralled with the FP Loss and the lifestyle, staying in union positions for years if not decades. If I were King for a day I would require all DALPA personnel to return back to the line for as long as they were serving in between DALPA gigs. Serve three years as a Rep - go to the line for the next three years. Serve 18 months in an Admin position - back to the line for 18 months minimum.

Some of these guys simply reek of desperation to avoid line flying and others lose touch with some of the day to day challenges of the Line Pilot. I always said that I wanted the DALPA gig to be good to draw the best folks, but perhaps its so good we have guys who start off with the best intentions and end up sticking in the job for self serving reasons.

Scoop - just my 2 cents

theUpsideDown 10-02-2021 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 3303152)
The problem with DALPA as I see it is not with any particular group of Reps - its the structure. We have many well meaning folks that participate and then become totally enthralled with the FP Loss and the lifestyle, staying in union positions for years if not decades. If I were King for a day I would require all DALPA personnel to return back to the line for as long as they were serving in between DALPA gigs. Serve three years as a Rep - go to the line for the next three years. Serve 18 months in an Admin position - back to the line for 18 months minimum.

Some of these guys simply reek of desperation to avoid line flying and others lose touch with some of the day to day challenges of the Line Pilot. I always said that I wanted the DALPA gig to be good to draw the best folks, but perhaps its so good we have guys who start off with the best intentions and end up sticking in the job for self serving reasons.

Scoop - just my 2 cents

I'd support that. We had some real FPL gems at my old company and theyre here too. The problem is, some of the well meaning types who really excel need a few years at the job to become amazing at it. The thing that always fixed the FPL sniffers was more pilot involvement, more volunteers, more eyes watching these little dickheads milk the union. Word gets around and guys get tossed.

No one likes a mooching freeloader.

NuGuy 10-02-2021 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 3303152)
The problem with DALPA as I see it is not with any particular group of Reps - its the structure. We have many well meaning folks that participate and then become totally enthralled with the FP Loss and the lifestyle, staying in union positions for years if not decades. If I were King for a day I would require all DALPA personnel to return back to the line for as long as they were serving in between DALPA gigs. Serve three years as a Rep - go to the line for the next three years. Serve 18 months in an Admin position - back to the line for 18 months minimum.

Some of these guys simply reek of desperation to avoid line flying and others lose touch with some of the day to day challenges of the Line Pilot. I always said that I wanted the DALPA gig to be good to draw the best folks, but perhaps its so good we have guys who start off with the best intentions and end up sticking in the job for self serving reasons.

Scoop - just my 2 cents

I shared your concerns and talked to my rep back in the day when there was more movement to change things administratively (the kind of stuff that happens between contracts). I got really bored one winter and tried to track things down because people would complain in the crew lounge/bus and nothing seemed to ever get done. I actually spoke with BB at an event and he was completely tuned into this issue and was working on fixing it (he struck me as an administrative kind of wonk). I think they put together some kind of team to look at things, and according to the minutes, and it seemed like some things were changed (about the time that MEMRAT for LOAs came about). That was all apparently around 2017 when things were getting re-wired to make things more accountable.

As it was explained to me, there's a pretty broad range of ALPA involvement levels. The vast majority of the committee guys & gals are part time. No flight pay loss, except for a couple days each year for a meeting, and they just do things on their own time. There are full time committee chairs and members, along with the officers (of which there are 4), but the actual full time number is still pretty low. Some committee chairs are only part time, and go into the office on an as-needed basis.

Reps, OTOH, are not full time, and, in theory fly full lines, but between MEC sponsored activities which pay (office duty, CPO meetings, lounge duty) there is apparently considerable flexibility in dropping trips. My (former) rep in MSP told me that he would get 4-6 emails a day, and maybe 6 phone calls a week. Some were easy answers, but maybe 4-6 a month were pretty serious "need help now" kind of events. He went on to say he did something ALPA related to the tune of at least an hour on every overnight. That would get old pretty quick, IMHO.

None of this is secret. The FPL reports are right on the treasurer's page on the MEC website along with a guide that explains how it works. Is there more there? I don't know. I just got a refund check a little while ago, so they seem to run things fairly tight. Some people complain of folks sticking around in these positions, but then some complain about the constant turnover, so I'm not really sure what the balance is.

OOfff 10-02-2021 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 3303135)
It's up to each council to release them from the polling data. We've asked to have them all released and the answer is always "it's up to each individual council"


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seems like a Hitchens’ razor kinda moment

tunes 10-02-2021 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3303235)
seems like a Hitchens’ razor kinda moment


Some councils don't want to release the results, some do. I personally think all polling results should be released.

We just ran out own survey in my council that closes next week and we will be releasing the results to our council.


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