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Guppydriver95 03-06-2022 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by PanchoBarnes (Post 3384110)
You’re not in the service anymore. Chill.

Nor do we fly missions….

tennisguru 03-06-2022 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 3384131)
Nor do we fly missions….

Tell that to the FAA with their renamed "Notice to Air Missions"...

Gunfighter 03-06-2022 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 3384131)
Nor do we fly missions….

The electronic flight folder on the A350 disagrees. There is a section named "Mission".

Boatbuilder 03-07-2022 08:34 AM

Calling what we do a “mission” is ridiculous. A “mission” typically has a critical goal. It’s a dangerous moniker to apply to a commercial flight as it will lead some to attach some inflated importance for its completion thereby raising the possibility of disregarding safety to “complete the mission”.
We don’t fly missions. We take Ma and Pa Kettle to visit the grandkids. While it’s important to get them there safely, comfortably and promptly it’s not critical.
And lastly I don’t remember taking an oath when I got hired.

Guppydriver95 03-07-2022 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by Boatbuilder (Post 3384646)
Calling what we do a “mission” is ridiculous. A “mission” typically has a critical goal. It’s a dangerous moniker to apply to a commercial flight as it will lead some to attach some inflated importance for its completion thereby raising the possibility of disregarding safety to “complete the mission”.
We don’t fly missions. We take Ma and Pa Kettle to visit the grandkids. While it’s important to get them there safely, comfortably and promptly it’s not critical.
And lastly I don’t remember taking an oath when I got hired.

Exactly. When we start thinking of flights as missions, we attach non-existent importance to them. We’ll waive the contract to do it. We’ll accept questionable MEL’s to do it. We may push through fatigue issues to get it done. Bottom line, as has been previously stated, we do NOT fly missions. The military mindset is completely inappropriate and often unsafe wrt civilian ops. Some just can’t let it go, however.

TED74 03-07-2022 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 3384666)
Exactly. When we start thinking of flights as missions, we attach non-existent importance to them. We’ll waive the contract to do it. We’ll accept questionable MEL’s to do it. We may push through fatigue issues to get it done. Bottom line, as has been previously stated, we do NOT fly missions. The military mindset is completely inappropriate and often unsafe wrt civilian ops. Some just can’t let it go, however.

Y’all have some pretty low opinions of your co-workers. Do you really think they’re susceptible to errors in execution of their duties based on nomenclature like “mission”? My mission every time I go to Costco is to try leave without too much Nutella. Haven’t hurt anyone yet.

Guppydriver95 03-07-2022 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3384681)
Y’all have some pretty low opinions of your co-workers. Do you really think they’re susceptible to errors in execution of their duties based on nomenclature like “mission”? My mission every time I go to Costco is to try leave without too much Nutella. Haven’t hurt anyone yet.

touche. You win the internet today.

velosnow 03-07-2022 10:04 AM

So the term ‘missions’ gets you guys fired up but not the judicious use of ‘tactical’?

Maybe it should’ve been changed to Notice to Air Muppets, that’d be much more fun.

TED74 03-07-2022 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by velosnow (Post 3384683)
So the term ‘missions’ gets you guys fired up but not the judicious use of ‘tactical’?

Maybe it should’ve been changed to Notice to Air Muppets, that’d be much more fun.

“Tactical” has plenty of military application, but not exclusive.

Synonyms & Antonyms for tactical

Synonyms:

Maybe we should start a Grammar and English Lit at Delta Air___Lines thread???

Gunfighter 03-07-2022 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3384681)
Y’all have some pretty low opinions of your co-workers. Do you really think they’re susceptible to errors in execution of their duties based on nomenclature like “mission”? My mission every time I go to Costco is to try leave without too much Nutella. Haven’t hurt anyone yet.

Maybe you haven't hurt anyone, but you do leave with Nutella (and other items for the $100 minimum exit receipt). Mission complete!!

The term "mission" is a subtle suggestion that completing the flight is more important that it really is. It is also leftover military nomenclature used by people in FltOps who still wear callsign nametags on Fridays.


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