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WeHaveWhiskey 04-19-2022 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3407522)
contract reference?

sec 22 E 12 Specifically states that you forfeit your previous category on your conversion date. There’s no mention of a carry in trip, but if you put it together with the section that says you’re paid pro rata ALV if you haven’t been trained by your conversion date it seems pretty clear to me that you shouldn’t be flying in your old category if you’ve converted to your new one. Unless I’m missing a different contract reference of course.

OOfff 04-19-2022 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by WeHaveWhiskey (Post 3408483)
sec 22 E 12 Specifically states that you forfeit your previous category on your conversion date. There’s no mention of a carry in trip, but if you put it together with the section that says you’re paid pro rata ALV if you haven’t been trained by your conversion date it seems pretty clear to me that you shouldn’t be flying in your old category if you’ve converted to your new one. Unless I’m missing a different contract reference of course.

that’s how I understood it, as well as my CPO, which removed a friend’s trip for exactly this reason

Gooner 04-19-2022 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by WeHaveWhiskey (Post 3408483)
sec 22 E 12 Specifically states that you forfeit your previous category on your conversion date. There’s no mention of a carry in trip, but if you put it together with the section that says you’re paid pro rata ALV if you haven’t been trained by your conversion date it seems pretty clear to me that you shouldn’t be flying in your old category if you’ve converted to your new one. Unless I’m missing a different contract reference of course.

Thank you for the reference, it was my understanding as well.

bugman61 04-19-2022 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3408561)
that’s how I understood it, as well as my CPO, which removed a friend’s trip for exactly this reason


He should consider himself lucky the CPO did that. Not everyone gets that treatment and when I asked about it alpa said they don’t have to drop it.

WeHaveWhiskey 04-19-2022 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by bugman61 (Post 3408602)
He should consider himself lucky the CPO did that. Not everyone gets that treatment and when I asked about it alpa said they don’t have to drop it.

you know what I posted prematurely. Contract admin called me back and said that previous poster was right. It was an arbitrator that said that that section only applies to a displacement, not an AE. Looks like ill have to do that trip….

OOfff 04-19-2022 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by WeHaveWhiskey (Post 3408640)
you know what I posted prematurely. Contract admin called me back and said that previous poster was right. It was an arbitrator that said that that section only applies to a displacement, not an AE. Looks like ill have to do that trip….

good to know. Glad my guy got lucky

tunes 04-24-2022 06:21 AM

Contract 2022
 
If you start a transition trip you can finish the trip. The portion in the new bid period is paid at your new rate


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Gooner 04-24-2022 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by WeHaveWhiskey (Post 3408640)
you know what I posted prematurely. Contract admin called me back and said that previous poster was right. It was an arbitrator that said that that section only applies to a displacement, not an AE. Looks like ill have to do that trip….

You know we finally write a plain language sentence in our contract that I understand, and then an arbitrator gets involved. That’s a terrible ruling by the way, it even specifically says AE or VD, alas.

notEnuf 04-24-2022 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by Gooner (Post 3411493)
You know we finally write a plain language sentence in our contract that I understand, and then an arbitrator gets involved. That’s a terrible ruling by the way, it even specifically says AE or VD, alas.

The real problem is how did it get to arbitration? The company didn't like it so they just crossed their arms and said no. Rules of the road...:rolleyes:

Gspeed 04-24-2022 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by Gooner (Post 3411493)
You know we finally write a plain language sentence in our contract that I understand, and then an arbitrator gets involved. That’s a terrible ruling by the way, it even specifically says AE or VD, alas.

Arbitration results like this are incredibly common in the industry. That’s why negotiating over and occasionally holding your nose and settling a dispute can be a better route than letting a third party decide your fate.


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