To the person saying being gone on multi-day trips is just part of the job…not at all the airlines. Allegiant does mostly 1 day trips.

disclaimer. I do not want to work for allegiant, nor am I saying they are better.

the point is, it’s possible.

I would like to see some contractual language that the company has to build trips within 5% of what the RCC requests….example.
RCC requests 20% 1 days, 20% 2 days, 30% 3 days, 20% 4 days, 10% 5 days. The company HAS to comply within 5%.
unlike now where they blow off the RCC, and NYC has more 1 day trips than any other base (on 320B)

 

Why on earth are you comparing people in other career fields? How is that even remotely relevant to contract negotiations at Delta? Are we using other peoples' careers and schedules as a baseline to negotiate for our own? If not, who gives a **** what Dr Doofus does in his career?

I agree with TED74; our rotations are garbage. 11 hour overnights are terrible. Reserve grids that have zero blue days are terrible. Bid packages where 1% of the trips are commutable are terrible. None of these have to do with more days off or more nights at home in bed. They have to do with not having to endure a major suck fest every time you go to work.

As far as I'm concerned, these issues (and more) have sunk below the baseline, and I'm not interested in the company thinking that we need to negotiate other things away just to get back to baseline on these (and other) items.

 

Time between shifts isn’t the point. The point is that you can’t compare us to doctors, lawyers, etc... and say we have it so good with all the time off without giving a candid synopsis of what the life really entails.

Personally, all I ever wanted to do was be an airline pilot. I’m very fortunate to get to do that. I’ve had a very good career with few real hiccups. Two decades in though, going from a single guy to a family, valuing relationships with friends, etc.. - this profession is losing its luster to me. We deserve all the time off we get and we really need more schedule flexibility/certainty.

 

Pilots: you couldn’t pay me to work a 9-5 and be in an office all the time. I love my time off and flexibility

also pilots: lawyers and doctors have all kinds of time off and flexibility and I envy it!

 

Other pilots: how dare you try to improve your PWA/profession? Don't you know how good you have it compared to (insert career field)??

 

I haven't read all the posts, but who no one is saying that we shouldn't strive to improve our QOL..

 

Well, some are saying that they'd be fine further diminishing our QOL for more money, because well, you just don't know how good you have it compared to some other person in some other career.

 

Trip7 said:
”BTW, for the amount of money this career makes we have PLENTY of time off. Compare schedules with a Doctor, Investment Banker, Entrepreneur, etc”

That to me sounds like he does not think we have room for improvement in terms of time off. I disagree on so many levels.

 

How many times you guys going to go round and round with pilots who were cheerleading TA1?

We want more money, theyre getting plenty out of us. Pay.

 

Breezy stated QOL improvement. QOL does not solely mean increased time off. There is plenty of room for QOL improvements but we have to negotiate for them, not sit on our hands and scream give me this, this and this while using hyperbolic examples trying to state your QOL is bad. BTW if time off is that important to you every pay raise you should be reducing your hours by dropping trips. I can easily drop to 1 or 2 trips a month if I wanted and still earn well over 100k. Think Doctors, Lawyers, and investment bankers can do that?

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