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Old 06-29-2023 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
That's always been an interesting element of pilot interviews across pretty much all companies. By the time anyone gets a shot at a brass ring job, they clearly have the potential TMAAT stories simply from the experience it took to get to that point. But instantly remembering the perfect story, then seamlessly telling it with the perfect beginning/middle/end (SAR format as some say) can result in the false apprarance of not having the stories or experiences in the first place. Or at least appearing "over-prepared".

Perhaps they should give TMAAT questions in advance. There would still be more than enough quick response opportunities, "bad cop" pressuring, etc. But to really get to know an applicant from TMAAT stories is more challenging that it needs to be.
The process is meant to make applicants feel uneasy and question their worth so they feel more gratitude toward the corporation renting their labor. It also helps to create a sense of superiority to anyone not on property, because successful applicants can tell themselves they did something or showed something exemplary to set themselves apart from everyone else not slotted in. Because we adhere to a process we are inclined to believe in the process. The existence of a process implies an egalitarian outcome which implies an egalitarian system, no matter how absurd. So the regional model keeps kicking and pilots still deadhead and jumpseat on metal operated by pilots they earnestly don't think are competent enough to do the same thing for more money. Mea culpa for the thread drift. May you all be blessed and chosen. I think they literally have to pretty soon.
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Old 06-29-2023 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Hossharris
counterpoint:

I did emerald coast and was 3 for 3 … and declined 2 other interview offers with majors.

do the app review as well … you can’t see your own errors easily.
Ditto. Did ECIC and Checked and Set for app review. Went 4/4 (DAL, UA, FedEx, SWA) and declined my AA interview. The amount I spent is not even a rounding error in what my eventual 401K balance will be.
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Old 06-29-2023 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Wolf424
Ditto. Did ECIC and Checked and Set for app review. Went 4/4 (DAL, UA, FedEx, SWA) and declined my AA interview. The amount I spent is not even a rounding error in what my eventual 401K balance will be.
To further make your point, one month of 401k contribution from the company on year 2 FO pay covers what I paid to prep for my interviews. ECIC, app review, and av interviews.com profile. Well worth the investment.
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Old 06-30-2023 | 06:44 AM
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Wait, what?
WTF is a TMAAT question?
YGTBSM! JFC! WWJD? FUPM!

Can we possibly get more acronyms in here?

Oh….and what did they actually ask you?
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Old 06-30-2023 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolf424
Ditto. Did ECIC and Checked and Set for app review. Went 4/4 (DAL, UA, FedEx, SWA) and declined my AA interview. The amount I spent is not even a rounding error in what my eventual 401K balance will be.
thanks i really appreciate all the replies. I'm definitely gonna do the Emerald Coast and begin prepping. spending money wasn't an issue I was mainly curious about what other people have done to be successful.

just so i understand the process :

Emerald Coast for interview prep
Checked and Set for application Review (do they look over log books as well?)
apply and set up an interview after I'm ready?
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Old 06-30-2023 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Wait, what?
WTF is a TMAAT question?
YGTBSM! JFC! WWJD? FUPM!

Can we possibly get more acronyms in here?

Oh….and what did they actually ask you?
TMAAT= "Tell me about a time..."
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Old 06-30-2023 | 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Wait, what?
WTF is a TMAAT question?
YGTBSM! JFC! WWJD? FUPM!

Can we possibly get more acronyms in here?

Oh….and what did they actually ask you?
Tell me you haven't gone on a job interview since 1997 without telling me.
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Old 06-30-2023 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Tropical
TMAAT you haven't gone on a job interview since 1997 without T'ingMAAT.
Fixed it for you.
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Old 06-30-2023 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Puddytatt
Fixed it for you.
That's funny stuff.

Back when Timbo got hired, your squadron mate got you an interview (he knew Plato), and if you passed the physical, JKT, cog test, and psych test, the interview was just a BS session to see if they could stand to share a cockpit with you for 4 days.

The STAR format and performance based questions you actually had to prepare yourself for wouldn't be along for a decade.
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Old 07-03-2023 | 01:44 PM
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Whether you are using a prep service or not, a prep technique that hasn't been discussed much here is a review of your own history, both flying and non-flying. After you've gathered all the examples of questions and scenarios, look at your own resume and logbooks.

If your flying career is in its infancy (i.e. second career flyers or less than XXXX-hrs. FAR 121 (just a number), look at your resume for non-flying jobs where you were in leadership positions or had to deal with customers. I did non-flying military and found some good stories of dealing with "co-workers" and some good leadership examples. I did retail management before flying and that had a good amount of co-worker, problem-solving and boss/subordinate work scenarios. If you don't have a good 'flying' story for a particular question, but you've got applicable real-world experience, use it! It'll show the interview team your flexibility and that you reviewed your entire history during your interview prep. They want to know you as a 'whole.' They'd rather know how you acted from personal experience rather than a theoretical 'what if'.

For your logbook review, look for memory-joggers. You'll look through a dozen pages of nothing-burger-boring flights and then stumble across a "I forgot about that one"-flight that you can add to your 'tell me a time when' question database. Many pilots have notes in their logbooks to remind themselves about 'events'. Go find them. Even if you don't find specifics, maybe you'll find a tail-number that jogs a memory: "man, what a piece of junk that plane was. It almost killed me by..." or "that was the plane I almost flew through a thunderstorm in". The whole point of the personal logbook review is not the hours contained within, but the memories. Fill up a notepad of your memories. They're the best information to build your stories.

Also, I can not agree stronger with the posters stating to get your app reviewed by as many eyes as are willing to review; either paid service or not. After you've scrubbed through your own application a hundred times, there's no way you'll see errors. Little things like punctuation and consistency throughout the app show 'attention to detail' that you'll miss after getting bleary-eyed looking it over.
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