In the interest of accuracy, it goes to $293 in 2025. Until then, just well below Delta rates

Right. So?

Are you implying that DL/UA/AA etc are somehow on the verge of being able to get the same percentage increase over current book as a permanent gain?

I'm generally against temporary measures like that as well. But I'd be willing to consider one if it contained permanent gains greater or sooner than we'd otherwise get. That's a big if though.

min not implying anything. Just putting out information about another workgroup at a smaller airline that may have impact on other companies in section 6. Will it have bearing? I have no clue. I’m certainly not implying that we may see the same percent. But who knows.

rather than imply, I’ll offer a direct opinion- I think new rates will be set by what various companies’ management teams think they can get away with to attract the numbers they need to execute their biz plan. In conjunction with the rest of the compensation package. I’d like to think that one company out of the many in our industry might decide to try a bold plan and compensate their pilots better than anyone else so that they can hire their pick of the fewer and fewer available candidates. But it may not ever work that way.

Cool. The example you presented was a 55% increase, 3 years from now, however its starting point was much lower than ours. The end result is very close to ours now (higher eventually if we don't get a CBA). I'm all in favor of pattern bargaining and pointing out that an LCC/ULCC narrowed the gap or even exceeded it. However there is no point in spinning our wheels pretending SunCountry's recent raise (parity is more like it) means we're on the verge of 450/hr for our 737 rates. Doing so at the negotiating table is worse than futile; its counterproductive and a guaranteed way to get "parked" for a decade or more.

But hey, if you feel differently, put it in the survey. Maybe dreams can come true. There wouldn't be a Miata left on the lot anywhere in the country.

Cbreezy already touched on this but the 12 year rate is a whopping $9 over our current -800 rates 3 years from now. Their year 2-10 rates that year are still lower than our current rates and their DC will be 1% less that year as well. (3% less now)

while not bad, their TA basically brought them to NK/F9 pay now with 3% annual raises after that, not exactly what I want to be comparing to for our next contract.

Although if APC is right, their per diem might be worth shooting for
$2.75 dom
$3.43 Mexico, Canada, Caribbean, Latin America
$5.50 Alaska, Europe, Asia

They also get 4 hrs/day vacation and I think long call is 14hrs

and it looks like 200% pay for a reassignment too. Definitely some good things we could shoot for, I was just pointing out the pay portion of their CBA is not anything I want to compare to, because that would not be in our best interest.