Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3390690)

The FAA cares about when the FDP ends. Per our working agreement, the FDP ends at brake set.

Originally Posted by JustNarced (Post 3390692)

We are talking past each other. You are correct, if the flying as tag-on, added if legal under the original FDP and added during the original FDP, you are good to go however, not PWA compliant.




If you set the brake and shut down with no further expectation to fly, you are done. Adding a leg at some point after the end of an FDP without 10 hours rest is illegal.

"Flight duty period (FDP) means a period that begins when a flightcrew member is required to report for duty with the intention of conducting a flight, a series of flights, or positioning or ferrying flights, and ends when the aircraft is parked after the last flight and there is no intention for further aircraft movement by the same flightcrew member."

I left some out because it went to go on to spell out what counts as duty prior to a fight segment.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/117.3

Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3390690)

The FAA cares about when the FDP ends. Per our working agreement, the FDP ends at brake set. The FARs ALLOW them to keep the FDP running after brake set but our PWA and with their agreement ends the FDP. Effectively, the company has chosen not to allow the clock to keep running. The PWA and FARs are tied together in this case since it defines when an FDP ends.

Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 3390702)

I really don't think it ties together like that but I could be wrong. I cannot see the FAA going after someone when they violate a PWA FDP as long as they don't violate a FAA rule. I'll see if I can call the FAA to ask them about this. I don't plan to extend past block in, but I'm curious as to what the FAA says.

Originally Posted by Myfingershurt (Post 3390701)

Couldn’t “no expectation to fly” be ambiguous? Just because there’s not currently anymore flying on your schedule doesn’t necessarily mean that. If you are actively volunteering to fly open time, then wouldn’t you have some expectation to continue flying? I believe the FAA writes rules this way so that airlines can get around them when they need to.

Originally Posted by Myfingershurt (Post 3390701)

Couldn’t “no expectation to fly” be ambiguous? Just because there’s not currently anymore flying on your schedule doesn’t necessarily mean that. If you are actively volunteering to fly open time, then wouldn’t you have some expectation to continue flying? I believe the FAA writes rules this way so that airlines can get around them when they need to.

Originally Posted by flyinthrew (Post 3390717)

This hurts my head. Is there no Scheduling Alert on this anywhere?

Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 3390702)

I really don't think it ties together like that but I could be wrong. I cannot see the FAA going after someone when they violate a PWA FDP as long as they don't violate a FAA rule. I'll see if I can call the FAA to ask them about this. I don't plan to extend past block in, but I'm curious as to what the FAA says.

Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3390869)

If you block in with no further flying currently scheduled within your current FDP, the FDP ends. The only way it wouldn’t is if you had a short call or ready reserve (which we don’t do) period on your schedule. You cannot start a new FDP without having at least 10 hours of rest prior. It’s the reason all reserve assignments (including short call) are preceded by 10 hours of rest.

A GS or WS can only be accepted if you have 10+ hours free of duty prior to the start. Having a slip request in does not cancel your rest.