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CBreezy 03-11-2022 03:59 AM
Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3386919)
What kind of messaging is this? Are we at war with Greenslips or fatiguing rotations? This comes across as if pilots are forced to work OT.

This would be more appropriate messaging:

"Delta pilots picketed today [MENTION=93175]atlair[/MENTION]port to protest tiring schedules that have caused pilots to raise safety concerns and increase fatigue calls"https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...57d7e77bc2.jpg

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No one wants a tired pilot. And this puts blame for operational disruptions past and future on the company.

3 green 03-11-2022 03:59 AM
Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3386919)
What kind of messaging is this? Are we at war with Greenslips or fatiguing rotations? This comes across as if pilots are forced to work OT.

This would be more appropriate messaging:

"Delta pilots picketed today [MENTION=93175]atlair[/MENTION]port to protest tiring schedules that have caused pilots to raise safety concerns and increase fatigue calls"https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...57d7e77bc2.jpg

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Mgmt will come out and make us look like spoiled brats. They will say all scheduling is done under the format set forth by the FAA and the same guidelines other airlines fly. They will say pilots are in contract negotiations and picketing is normal in this situation. They will also say fatigue calls haven't really gone up and doesn't appear to be a problem.

CBreezy 03-11-2022 04:00 AM
Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 3386922)
Mgmt will come out and make us look like spoiled brats. They will say all scheduling is done under the format set forth by the FAA and the same guidelines other airlines fly. They will say pilots are in contract negotiations and picketing is normal in this situation. They will also say fatigue calls haven't really gone up and doesn't appear to be a problem.
Management will have an out of context reply???? No way! I thought for sure after months on fighting our union on this, picketing would make them capitulate.

This stuff doesn't happen overnight

TED74 03-11-2022 05:17 AM
Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 3386922)
Mgmt will come out and make us look like spoiled brats. They will say all scheduling is done under the format set forth by the FAA and the same guidelines other airlines fly. They will say pilots are in contract negotiations and picketing is normal in this situation. They will also say fatigue calls haven't really gone up and doesn't appear to be a problem.
Management might TRY to create that perception. Is that the same FAA who certified the Max? Anyone who is paying attention or who just watched Downfall on Netflix isn’t going to buy those arguments. I was pleased with the public’s response to picketing.

crewdawg 03-11-2022 05:20 AM
Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3386919)
What kind of messaging is this? Are we at war with Greenslips or fatiguing rotations?

Yes.......


Edit: I don't believe we're in a war against GS, but I certainly would love to get back to the days where guys felt lucky to even get the occasional GS. Certainly don't care for running the operation on greenslips.

Wolf424 03-11-2022 05:53 AM
Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3386919)
This comes across as if pilots are forced to work OT.
Isn’t that what an IA is? I know you don’t have to answer the IA call, but that’s what IA is…

Whoopsmybad 03-11-2022 06:08 AM
Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3386919)
What kind of messaging is this? Are we at war with Greenslips or fatiguing rotations? This comes across as if pilots are forced to work OT.

This would be more appropriate messaging:

"Delta pilots picketed today [MENTION=93175]atlair[/MENTION]port to protest tiring schedules that have caused pilots to raise safety concerns and increase fatigue calls"https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...57d7e77bc2.jpg

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I’m not sure this is the message we wanted to push. Leave the words “green slips” out of it. We are being “asked” to fly more overtime on top of an already fatiguing schedule. My 2 cents (plus all my union dues).

DeltaboundRedux 03-11-2022 06:45 AM
One argument that will resonate with the public is that wages have stagnated as inflation and energy prices have soared.

This avoids some of the “those overpaid pilots” comments, because actual salaries aren’t mentioned.

Everyone outside of government COLA salaries is feeling the pinch. Nobody’s raises are coming close to keeping up with inflation.

FangsF15 03-11-2022 08:57 AM
Originally Posted by Wolf424 (Post 3386976)
Isn’t that what an IA is? I know you don’t have to answer the IA call, but that’s what IA is…
From a strategic standpoint, if the whole pilot group ignored ARCOS for GS, they will start tagging pilots in the jetway. They will fill rotations with contractually compliant methods - it’s really just a choice of whether it IS a choice (GS), or not (IA).

And we don’t have the aft stairs to escape the jetway anymore.

Iceberg 03-11-2022 09:11 AM
Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3387121)
From a strategic standpoint, if the whole pilot group ignored ARCOS for GS, they will start tagging pilots in the jetway. They will fill rotations with contractually compliant methods - it’s really just a choice of whether it IS a choice (GS), or not (IA).

And we don’t have the aft stairs to escape the jetway anymore.
717 is gonna be the senior NB quickly if that happens.


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