Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 3389548)

From what I've heard, fatigue calls are not even up much, if any.

Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3389834)

LEC-66 FastRead released today said fatigue calls are up 242% when comparing Jan 2019 to Jan 2022

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3389832)

So what? If they don't want to come work here, they can go elsewhere. I don't say that to minimize the plight of the narrowbody crowd, quite the opposite... I think what the company is doing in terms of these trips plain sucks, and ALPA's non-response to it is reprehensible. But I don't GAF whether someone that isn't on the property decides to come here based on any of that. If they want to come here.. great. If they don't... good for them I hope they have a great life.

I will never forget the question in my interview from the retired guy. "Why should Delta get down on their knees and beg you to come work here?" My answer was that I had no idea.. but that I would work hard yada yada yada...

Summer is going to be interesting without a doubt.

I'm gonna leave you with one other thought. I know there are some that want something like a 6 hour duty day. Be careful what you ask for. Delta will get their pound of flesh if that were to come to fruition. Delta abhors credit time in rotations. The more they have to pay per day, the harder they are going to work at eliminating credit. Those schedules will go from being SWA-like to regional-like.

Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3390010)

To jump on your comment about the duty day, I don’t want the ADG or MDG touched. I want the duty rig improved and I want to add a sit rig. If plane swaps cost them more money, that would be good too. I shouldn’t need a different aircraft for each flight.

Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3389834)

LEC-66 FastRead released today said fatigue calls are up 242% when comparing Jan 2019 to Jan 2022

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3389832)

So what? If they don't want to come work here, they can go elsewhere. I don't say that to minimize the plight of the narrowbody crowd, quite the opposite... I think what the company is doing in terms of these trips plain sucks, and ALPA's non-response to it is reprehensible. But I don't GAF whether someone that isn't on the property decides to come here based on any of that.

Originally Posted by EyesOn (Post 3390043)

The comments two pages pages ago referenced a recruiting problem for Delta. That’s the context of my comment. If DAL is basically the same as every other airline then recruiting becomes a problem. If you don’t care about that, that’s fine, but that was the context of comparing trips to other airlines.

Originally Posted by weekendflyer (Post 3389550)

Love when they ask me to extend

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 3390049)

Wait. They ASK you to extend!? I keep getting auto-extended and then have to call THEM and tell them no bueno. THAT needs to stop.

Originally Posted by Flownit (Post 3390054)

explain this better for everyone. They “ask” you to extend by acars and you have to confirm with a reply. No assumption of extension.

Originally Posted by Fourpaw (Post 3389633)

I get the 30 minute free extension they are already getting. That’s where I stop. They already got theirs so I’m not giving any more time past that. Stop building the schedules within minutes of the PWA max and I would be more flexible.

Originally Posted by Flownit (Post 3390054)

explain this better for everyone. They “ask” you to extend by acars and you have to confirm with a reply. No assumption of extension.

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 3390072)

Uh huh, uh huh. That's ONE way it can go down. Ooorrrrr you get rerouted during your 3.5 hour airport sit with just a robo call as a courtesy (maybe). When you go see what's been done to your schedule you notice that your duty day is now not only beyond the contractual limit but is also into the 117 extension period. Now they've forced your hand, requiring a call to scheduling and "contact".

Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3390082)

im 99% sure you cannot be rerouted into an extension.

logic being there is no way you can argue it is unforeseen if you know about it when they assign you the trip.

Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3390082)

im 99% sure you cannot be rerouted into an extension.

logic being there is no way you can argue it is unforeseen if you know about it when they assign you the trip.

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 3390072)

Uh huh, uh huh. That's ONE way it can go down. Ooorrrrr you get rerouted during your 3.5 hour airport sit with just a robo call as a courtesy (maybe). When you go see what's been done to your schedule you notice that your duty day is now not only beyond the contractual limit but is also into the 117 extension period. Now they've forced your hand, requiring a call to scheduling and "contact".

Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3390010)

To jump on your comment about the duty day, I don’t want the ADG or MDG touched. I want the duty rig improved and I want to add a sit rig. If plane swaps cost them more money, that would be good too. I shouldn’t need a different aircraft for each flight.

Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3390088)

Or you just wait until your scheduled flight. Why are you checking your schedule or answering your phone?

Originally Posted by therapysession (Post 3390066)

Uhhh... I have seen this 30 minute extension comment posted a couple times. It's not free. They still have to ask and you still have to accept even if it is 1 minute past your FDP. The only difference is the company can extend you numerous days in a row if under 30 minutes (AND YOU ACCEPT) vs just once before needing a rest period.

Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3390099)

The plane swap idea is interesting. I think that is something that should definitely be explored. As someone pointed out in a post just below yours (sic) "there's a difference between a 1 hour sit with a plane swap and without". Off the top of my head, I would think something like: With any sit less than 2 hours and a plane swap you get paid another hour. And you would have to sandwich that in with a penalty for any sit more than three hours.... or something like that.

Originally Posted by konabear (Post 3390110)

I just had one that made my 2.5 hour sit a 3.5 hour sit for my new flight. I didn’t answer my phone when CS called. I showed up for my scheduled flight and scanned my ID. Instead of getting the green light, I got a red one forcing me to check my schedule. The reroute replaced two short legs with one long leg to a 10-hour layover. It also made my legal duty day longer since I only had two instead of three legs. So, long story to say just because you don’t answer your phone or check your schedule doesn’t mean you can’t still be rerouted.

Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3390175)

No one is saying you can’t be re-routed.

But you can’t be re-routed into an extension, which is what FreezingFlyBoy was posting about.

Originally Posted by konabear (Post 3390110)

I just had one that made my 2.5 hour sit a 3.5 hour sit for my new flight. I didn’t answer my phone when CS called. I showed up for my scheduled flight and scanned my ID. Instead of getting the green light, I got a red one forcing me to check my schedule. The reroute replaced two short legs with one long leg to a 10-hour layover. It also made my legal duty day longer since I only had two instead of three legs. So, long story to say just because you don’t answer your phone or check your schedule doesn’t mean you can’t still be rerouted.

Originally Posted by Der Meister (Post 3390196)

*You shouldn't be rerouted into one, but i have seen it happen to myself. Im sure it might have worked for the computer when i came up with the idea, but then they posted a delay that made it illegal. But thats the delta difference

Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF (Post 3390175)

No one is saying you can’t be re-routed.

But you can’t be re-routed into an extension, which is what FreezingFlyBoy was posting about.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3389314)

You need to call the union and have them call the company out on their lies. They are putting out that the 320 average duty period is about 8:30 and the 7ER 8 hours. Average layover for both about 16 hours.

Originally Posted by Der Meister (Post 3390196)

*You shouldn't be rerouted into one, but i have seen it happen to myself. Im sure it might have worked for the computer when i came up with the idea, but then they posted a delay that made it illegal. But thats the delta difference

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3390317)

Now it's so easy to refuse extension, I would assume this practice has stopped, but nothing surprised me anymore.

Originally Posted by biigD (Post 3390324)

The fact that the company has you guys calling it 'refusing the extension' blows my mind. Were guys actually extending? Is that why the company assumes it will happen?

Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad (Post 3390329)

For a long time around here it was the expectation that you extended. Our extension rate was way way higher than our major competitors. Then the FAA started asking questions.

Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad (Post 3390329)

For a long time around here it was the expectation that you extended. Our extension rate was way way higher than our major competitors. Then the FAA started asking questions.

Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3390245)

Just as a reminder, you are only required to be rested for the duty period you have scheduling. You do not have to be rested for the max possible FDP.

Originally Posted by 20Fathoms (Post 3390345)

Great point and it extends to the number of pilots too. If you expect to have a 4 man but are legal for 3 and a guy calls out, you don’t have to take it.

Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3389252)

Not me. Delta thanked me. A lot. Almost every day. That’s all I need to keep me going.

Originally Posted by Texasbound (Post 3390432)

Didn't they repaint that jet to say "F you?'

Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 3390460)

Naw, they say thank you with their words and reserve F you for their actions.

But I’ll see that image in my head if I ever see the FU jet in person.

Originally Posted by Der Meister (Post 3390541)

I personally always see the FU jet even when I fly it. I was/will always be an UNA i very much remember how they treated us. They can go pound as much sand as Ed has lost sleep over.

No amount of TYFAD will solve that problem they created. I will always remember I'm just a number and thus they are always just a number to me. I will always be doing minimal effort until I retire in 30 years. IDGAS about the delta difference these days. The only difference I care about is how much $ I'm loosing by being here compared to my peers. FUPM!

Originally Posted by RunFast (Post 3390565)

Wait, do tell. Seriously. What are your numbers?

Originally Posted by Der Meister (Post 3390568)

Quick and fast is 10-15k a year in WB pay at minimum. While one could say PS makes the difference, I will say that PS isn't pay. considering we have gotten 1250 in the past two years for PS. Yeah PS isn't anything unless you have a profit. I'd rather have the pay/work rules.

You can do you, but I'll be doing minimal for the next 30 years. Good luck DAL you'll need it.