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Only reason SWA interests me more at this point is quality of life and pay. Apparently you can make a ton of money over at SWA and if I can live in base I don’t care what I fly at that point.
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Originally Posted by Fly4FunAA
(Post 3396539)
Only reason SWA interests me more at this point is quality of life and pay. Apparently you can make a ton of money over at SWA and if I can live in base I don’t care what I fly at that point.
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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 3396548)
Not throwing shade at SWA at all. Its a great airline to be at. And the 73 is a lot less bad than some flight deck fashionistas would have you believe. Just be careful with snapshot macro logic like that. You can "make a ton of money" at any legacy too at least these days. And if you live in base (and even if you don't) you can still not care what you fly, but at least have a choice.
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Originally Posted by Funk
(Post 3397079)
I really enjoyed flying the 73 here at Delta until a forgotten standing AE bid dropped me into WB flying. All the way through training I was slightly miffed at myself for leaving an airplane I enjoyed at a seniority level that worked great. Then, a three and half hour nap in a lie flat seat on the way to Buenos Aires, followed by mid morning empanadas with the other pilots at an outdoor cafe in the sunshine, a solid nap, workout, then a spectacular dinner with the other pilots before a long night’s sleep and the return trip, with, you guessed it, a three hour nap in the lid flat seat (it really works for me). The naps, relaxed pace on the layover, and spending a pittance in BA to eat like a king can be real habit forming. As others have noted, being able to sleep on the plane can be a critical factor in how people do or don’t enjoy international. Count me amongst those that heard the, “it’s a totally different airline” talk for years, then had the epiphany of, “Holy Crap! It is a TOTALLY different airline.” YMMV BWYWWWYB
But you don't know what you don't know, right? I think of those newhire captains when I say that. Good for them, but they won't know what they're missing for a long long time. |
Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 3398454)
And the next level is the 4 man ULH flying on the 350 (And some on the 330)
But you don't know what you don't know, right? I think of those newhire captains when I say that. Good for them, but they won't know what they're missing for a long long time. |
Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 3398454)
And the next level is the 4 man ULH flying on the 350 (And some on the 330)
But you don't know what you don't know, right? I think of those newhire captains when I say that. Good for them, but they won't know what they're missing for a long long time. Maybe when we get some more and they actually fly to a non lockdown destination. For now it doesn’t seem worth it. Scoop |
Originally Posted by Scoop
(Post 3398575)
Maybe when we get some more and they actually fly to a non lockdown destination. For now it doesn’t seem worth it.
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Originally Posted by Funk
(Post 3397079)
I really enjoyed flying the 73 here at Delta until a forgotten standing AE bid dropped me into WB flying. All the way through training I was slightly miffed at myself for leaving an airplane I enjoyed at a seniority level that worked great. Then, a three and half hour nap in a lie flat seat on the way to Buenos Aires, followed by mid morning empanadas with the other pilots at an outdoor cafe in the sunshine, a solid nap, workout, then a spectacular dinner with the other pilots before a long night’s sleep and the return trip, with, you guessed it, a three hour nap in the lid flat seat (it really works for me). The naps, relaxed pace on the layover, and spending a pittance in BA to eat like a king can be real habit forming. As others have noted, being able to sleep on the plane can be a critical factor in how people do or don’t enjoy international. Count me amongst those that heard the, “it’s a totally different airline” talk for years, then had the epiphany of, “Holy Crap! It is a TOTALLY different airline.” YMMV BWYWWWYB
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Originally Posted by Bergman
(Post 3398601)
3 day Tokyo layover locked in hotel with $100/day stipend isn’t as bad as you think. Breakfast buffet, nap, work out, filet mignon dinner, then manhattans at the jazz bar…all on the company dime while toasting “Here’s to the NB pilots senior to us!” YMMV. Hahahaha
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I loved international flying for all the positives but the cumulative effect on me personally was that I was sick all the time. I would get a head cold that would turn into a sinus infection that would last two weeks. I almost had surgery it was so ridiculous.
I don’t know if it was the dry air but I am convinced that it was the cumulative effects of circadian disruption/disjointed sleep(interrupted sleep) that did it. I did exclusively international for seven years and after about two years had these effects. If you are based on the 330 in NYC, you’re losing two solid sleeps, 4-5x per month. More if you GS. That’s what killed me. Flying through WOCL and breaking the normal sleep patterns that many times per month is for me, a recipe for being sick. A lot. It is astonishingly different post international flying doing zero red eyes. If I get a sniffle it’s gone in a day. Domestic is way harder work, no doubt but I don’t feel anywhere near as run down in terms of cumulative fatigue. I loved the aircraft, crews, destinations, etc but it aged me and made it drastically harder to recover from sickness. YMMV. I will never fly an air airplane again that does exclusively international. 1x international or red eye here or there is fine, it was the cumulative effects of it all the time that were hard. |
Originally Posted by marcal
(Post 3398682)
I loved international flying for all the positives but the cumulative effect on me personally was that I was sick all the time. I would get a head cold that would turn into a sinus infection that would last two weeks. I almost had surgery it was so ridiculous.
I don’t know if it was the dry air but I am convinced that it was the cumulative effects of circadian disruption/disjointed sleep(interrupted sleep) that did it. I did exclusively international for seven years and after about two years had these effects. If you are based on the 330 in NYC, you’re losing two solid sleeps, 4-5x per month. More if you GS. That’s what killed me. Flying through WOCL and breaking the normal sleep patterns that many times per month is for me, a recipe for being sick. A lot. It is astonishingly different post international flying doing zero red eyes. If I get a sniffle it’s gone in a day. Domestic is way harder work, no doubt but I don’t feel anywhere near as run down in terms of cumulative fatigue. I loved the aircraft, crews, destinations, etc but it aged me and made it drastically harder to recover from sickness. YMMV. I will never fly an air airplane again that does exclusively international. 1x international or red eye here or there is fine, it was the cumulative effects of it all the time that were hard. |
Originally Posted by Nantonaku
(Post 3398666)
That sounds fun for 1 day not 3. Then you have the 2 day zombie hangover after trying to catch up on sleep once you get home.
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Originally Posted by marcal
(Post 3398682)
I loved international flying for all the positives but the cumulative effect on me personally was that I was sick all the time. I would get a head cold that would turn into a sinus infection that would last two weeks. I almost had surgery it was so ridiculous.
I don’t know if it was the dry air but I am convinced that it was the cumulative effects of circadian disruption/disjointed sleep(interrupted sleep) that did it. I did exclusively international for seven years and after about two years had these effects. If you are based on the 330 in NYC, you’re losing two solid sleeps, 4-5x per month. More if you GS. That’s what killed me. Flying through WOCL and breaking the normal sleep patterns that many times per month is for me, a recipe for being sick. A lot. It is astonishingly different post international flying doing zero red eyes. If I get a sniffle it’s gone in a day. Domestic is way harder work, no doubt but I don’t feel anywhere near as run down in terms of cumulative fatigue. I loved the aircraft, crews, destinations, etc but it aged me and made it drastically harder to recover from sickness. YMMV. I will never fly an air airplane again that does exclusively international. 1x international or red eye here or there is fine, it was the cumulative effects of it all the time that were hard. They always say intl is great if you’re able to sleep.....which is true.....but the waking up part no one mentions. And the day or two playing catch up when you get home sucks. I’m much happier and wayyyy less tired being a NB A......even despite lousy schedules and trips. |
Originally Posted by Funk
(Post 3397079)
I really enjoyed flying the 73 here at Delta until a forgotten standing AE bid dropped me into WB flying. All the way through training I was slightly miffed at myself for leaving an airplane I enjoyed at a seniority level that worked great. Then, a three and half hour nap in a lie flat seat on the way to Buenos Aires, followed by mid morning empanadas with the other pilots at an outdoor cafe in the sunshine, a solid nap, workout, then a spectacular dinner with the other pilots before a long night’s sleep and the return trip, with, you guessed it, a three hour nap in the lid flat seat (it really works for me). The naps, relaxed pace on the layover, and spending a pittance in BA to eat like a king can be real habit forming. As others have noted, being able to sleep on the plane can be a critical factor in how people do or don’t enjoy international. Count me amongst those that heard the, “it’s a totally different airline” talk for years, then had the epiphany of, “Holy Crap! It is a TOTALLY different airline.” YMMV BWYWWWYB
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Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 3398718)
Are you describing the typical 24 hr international layover? If 30+ hrs I agree those are a relaxed pace but even on the 73 these 24 hr Caribbean/All Inclusive layovers go by extremely fast. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a131e12d4e.jpg
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Originally Posted by rdb253
(Post 3398750)
Ah yes panama man! Make sure to hit up Casco Viejo next time if it's not raining
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
(Post 3398666)
That sounds fun for 1 day not 3. Then you have the 2 day zombie hangover after trying to catch up on sleep once you get home.
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Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 3398777)
Thanks for the tip. Will do. When it stopped raining I hit up the Canal. I was debating whether the ride there in traffic late afternoon would be worth it but I'm glad I did. Surprised uBer was $3 for a 35 min drive
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Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad
(Post 3396273)
That reminds me of more than one conversation I’ve had recently:
Other dude: What’s that Me: It’s a 220 Other dude: That’s a big RJ Me: Nope those are ours Other dude: Seriously??? |
Originally Posted by boog123
(Post 3399128)
Other dude was correct, it looks like a big RJ. Has the proper crew and pay rate tho.
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
(Post 3399183)
When it's sitting next to a 717 it looks the same size and more impressive. There are some who don't see the 717 (DC-9) as a major airliner. If its sporting a widget, then the pilots should too.
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Originally Posted by boog123
(Post 3399234)
Smaller(ish) planes flown by mainline is a good thing. 4000 hours in the little pup. 220 looks like a big RJ. Glad it’s here, as it should be
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Seems like everyone is pretty upset with the ATL 320 trips these days. As a new guy hoping to live in ATL, does the 73, 717, or ER offer anything better trip-wise? I know I’d love a tray table but nicer trips would trump that in my mind.
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Originally Posted by merica1776
(Post 3401657)
Seems like everyone is pretty upset with the ATL 320 trips these days. As a new guy hoping to live in ATL, does the 73, 717, or ER offer anything better trip-wise? I know I’d love a tray table but nicer trips would trump that in my mind.
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Originally Posted by WeHaveWhiskey
(Post 3398863)
I had a 2 day zombie hangover after my last two 73N 4-day trips were put with one day off in between.
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Originally Posted by RonRicco
(Post 3401734)
Exactly this. It is great if you can get the rare long PTY etc, but there aren’t many (ATL) The trips right now leave me more worn out than being junior on the Mad Dog 15 years ago. Unless you are pilot who doesn’t mind the 3am alarm clocks (I wish I didn’t mind) there just aren’t many trips that aren’t more tiring than international. The cumulative effect of 11 hour layovers is something I am willing to trade for the rest issues on international.
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Technique for the long Atl sit: hit the gym @old speedline
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Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish
(Post 3401730)
as a new hire on the 73, Atl, on res, you better bring plenty of lube, it’s gonna be a rough summer.
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Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 3401742)
You're not kidding. First couple trips I looked at in ATL 73N opentime... YIKES. ATL-MEX-ATL 2hr sit ATL-VPS 11:28 Layover
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Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
(Post 3401960)
How will trips like that leave you time to shine your epaulettes?
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Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
(Post 3401960)
How will trips like that leave you time to shine your epaulettes?
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Where do the majority of the NYC 73N trips start and end? I’d like to upgrade, but LGA is a better place to commute to for me vs JFK or EWR.
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Originally Posted by DaGreenBanana
(Post 3401970)
Where do the majority of the NYC 73N trips start and end? I’d like to upgrade, but LGA is a better place to commute to for me vs JFK or EWR.
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Originally Posted by DaGreenBanana
(Post 3401970)
Where do the majority of the NYC 73N trips start and end? I’d like to upgrade, but LGA is a better place to commute to for me vs JFK or EWR.
Pre Covid is was JFK / LGA / EWR. You can always fly into LGA and Kew Cab it to JFK…$20 |
Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
(Post 3402252)
You can always fly into LGA and Kew Cab it to JFK…$20
EWR has nothing to do with either. That should be a layover city or a separate base. |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 3402255)
JFK and LGA are reasonable "co-terminals" IMO. A motivated cab driver can get you between both (even in rush hour unless its really bad) in comparable times as getting between worst case gate transfers at a single airport.
EWR has nothing to do with either. That should be a layover city or a separate base. |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 3402255)
JFK and LGA are reasonable "co-terminals" IMO. A motivated cab driver can get you between both (even in rush hour unless its really bad) in comparable times as getting between worst case gate transfers at a single airport.
EWR has nothing to do with either. That should be a layover city or a separate base.
Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
(Post 3402273)
LAX, BUR, SNA, and ONT are pretty ridiculous too.
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
(Post 3402273)
LAX, BUR, SNA, and ONT are pretty ridiculous too.
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Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 3402422)
don’t forget LGB
In the past all those "co-terminals" were a company condition to even have a base there. Now they want a base there big time. Time to pull down most if not all of the "co-terminals". If hotel savings are such a cash machine they can open them as domiciles. |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 3402784)
Yeah the LA "co-terminals" are a relic carrot from the days of a little micro base for the few who actually lived there. Now its a much larger base and will be full of commuters and new hires assigned it til they can bid out.
In the past all those "co-terminals" were a company condition to even have a base there. Now they want a base there big time. Time to pull down most if not all of the "co-terminals". If hotel savings are such a cash machine they can open them as domiciles. |
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