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03-25-2022 | 05:14 PM
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I would love it to move fast, but you cant count covid (at least i would be stone-cold stunned if we should be counting covid) years as negotiating year- because we didnt negotiate during that time.
03-26-2022 | 06:54 AM
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Thats something I don’t understand. I am totally on board with a CEO not liking the pilot group, seeing them as a huge expense, underworked, and arrogant (not my view). These are totally expected thoughts that a CEO would have. However in this case, it seems like it is different. It appears to be a deep, personal, emotional hatred. Maybe my perception is off base. But if it’s right, I’m trying to figure out why.
03-26-2022 | 07:13 AM
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Thats something I don’t understand. I am totally on board with a CEO not liking the pilot group, seeing them as a huge expense, underworked, and arrogant (not my view). These are totally expected thoughts that a CEO would have. However in this case, it seems like it is different. It appears to be a deep, personal, emotional hatred. Maybe my perception is off base. But if it’s right, I’m trying to figure out why.
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03-26-2022 | 07:44 AM
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I think we should get him a plaque to hang above his office door. Through this door walks… the greatest CEO/God.
03-26-2022 | 05:28 PM
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Its the opposite of the strategy of TA1. In that contract, they utilized the good will and folksy-ness of Richard to get everyone all hot and bothered with an early deal and then slid in a whole bunch of garbage hoping no one would realize it. This group torpedoed it and any real good will with it.
The mood between alpa and the company has been drastically worse in my opinion since the huge failure of TA1.
In any negotiation you need to ask, “what do both sides need”? We obviously need pay, QOL improvements, JV improvements, etc.
What does the company need? Nothing really as far as I can tell. The airplanes are moving, there are lines of RJ and LCC pilots out the door waiting to get in. If I’m management I’d be going through the motions as long as possible and waiting this out. No rush.
The mood between alpa and the company has been drastically worse in my opinion since the huge failure of TA1.
In any negotiation you need to ask, “what do both sides need”? We obviously need pay, QOL improvements, JV improvements, etc.
What does the company need? Nothing really as far as I can tell. The airplanes are moving, there are lines of RJ and LCC pilots out the door waiting to get in. If I’m management I’d be going through the motions as long as possible and waiting this out. No rush.
Maybe, maybe not. How nimble will the company be when international travel opens up? Do we have enough LCA in the right position? How quickly can we complete TOEs? When movement returns at the top with us hiring 2000 pilots/year at the bottom end, it might limit our ability to ramp up in a timely manner when the world opens up.
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03-27-2022 | 02:24 AM
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I've never worked for a union before, being that my work experience has been all 91/135, so this podcast has been very helpful in helping me learn the system works. I am going to a different legacy, but I would imagine the basics are the same.
03-31-2022 | 05:18 PM
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Well, in my experience thats something they bring up separately, away from us. We did get feedback pre-covid and they told us what they felt the company may be misunderstanding about the process. Also, the company wanted things to move faster which is why they brought in the mediator- the fact its reversed seems strange. The company would love to negotiate this right now, before we start making money quarter after quarter.
We took record losses last year. We are starting to make money (profit) now supposedly. There isnt a payraise coming unless we are making a healthy profit quarter after quarter. Im not sure what the rush is, but im not a negotiator. Fat profits=raises. Banging hands on the table does not equal pay raises. I would caution the union to have patience, stay consistent, and find areas we can make gains on the company undervalues.
We took record losses last year. We are starting to make money (profit) now supposedly. There isnt a payraise coming unless we are making a healthy profit quarter after quarter. Im not sure what the rush is, but im not a negotiator. Fat profits=raises. Banging hands on the table does not equal pay raises. I would caution the union to have patience, stay consistent, and find areas we can make gains on the company undervalues.
04-01-2022 | 04:46 PM
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