One of your more arrogant posts…which is saying something. To suggest that you know what’s REALLY happening and the thousands of pilots saying something different should be, what… ignored? Corrected? You still have some growing up to do.

First, you'll have to the clarify base. ATL for sure has plenty of commutable trips. Secondly the 320 is a much more capable plane range wise than the 88 so there is impact on the trip mix there. Lastly as far as 30 hr layovers those not only come and go but some pilots hate them which brings us back to my original thesis, confusion of the highest order

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(Drug reference working off "trip")

Agreed. However, I was pointing out Trips assertion is just plain wrong. Regards less of the reason.

This was standard fare or worse pre 117. DC9 had 4-5 leg days and 9 hrs in SAV. Granted back then with reduced rest layover pilots were limited to 10 hrs duty the next day. ASA CRJ200, standard fare:https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...01b65a6a2e.jpg

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Sure, ATL has a more commutable trips. What's your point? I'm talking about the same base from 6 years ago. The trips are much worse. I challenge for you to find (more than a few outliers l)in the bid package trips that contain 6-7 hours of credit on any narrow body. 30,hour layovers or not. It is clear that trips have deteriorated and they have all but removed ALL the credit from most trips.

What's my point? My point is the flying remains the same just different aircraft flying 88/717 trips. Moreover due to the increased capability of the planes flying those routes tripa can be created more efficiently. Sure you're talking about the same base, but also completely different fleet and completely different staffing situation complete with one fleet that's completely retired(88) and another fleet that's cut nearly in half plus closure of its NYC base(717)

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The problem with record of amounts of overtime is the underlying REAL problem, imo: record amounts of understaffing (or perhaps network overbidding capacity). Understaffing means reduced ability for swaps & drops, less or no control of schedule post award, more coverage awards, reroutes, IA etc. I believe that is the poorly communicated root cause. The folks that want to work more and get paid more are doing it. I don't think those are the ones complaining (as much). That folks that don't want to work overtime are still negatively effective. That would be a better message I think then too much double pay overtime.

Agreed 100%. That would be a much better message.

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Bad trip is when you aren’t sure how much you took and don’t know where you are or how long you’ve been out. I wish I could get a 30 hour 4 day. I’d work 8 days a month.