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boog123 03-27-2022 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3395494)
ATL had around 150 pilots, LAX 35. Considering the size of each base I'd consider the attendance sparse but that's just me. Folks can come to their own conclusion.

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Conclusion, butt kissing not enough, Trip7 upping his game….

NuGuy 03-27-2022 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3395494)
ATL had around 150 pilots, LAX 35. Considering the size of each base I'd consider the attendance sparse but that's just me. Folks can come to their own conclusion.

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My buddy said that they had so many they had to take turns walking the line, so I think the point was made.

jaxsurf 03-27-2022 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 3395512)
Conclusion, butt kissing not enough, Trip7 upping his game….

It’s not enough these days just to be a management toadie. To get that coveted ‘atta boy’ you need to actively denigrate union events, apparently…

ASAP 03-27-2022 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3395439)
This was standard fare or worse pre 117. DC9 had 4-5 leg days and 9 hrs in SAV. Granted back then with reduced rest layover pilots were limited to 10 hrs duty the next day. ASA CRJ200, standard fare:https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...01b65a6a2e.jpg

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Honest to God I feel like I’d quit immediately after flying a trip like that. Freaking brutal.

LandGreen2 03-27-2022 09:39 AM

After listening to some of the Engage podcasts, it sounds like DALPA flags potential fatiguing rotations and sends them back to planners to mitigate if possible. If those rotations cannot be mitigated, does it could DALPA flag those rotations for pilots? It might be good safe SA especially for newly minted As and Bs to see a note on a rotation that it was flagged originally by the union and it was not mitigated for whatever reason?

Gspeed 03-27-2022 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3395494)
ATL had around 150 pilots, LAX 35. Considering the size of each base I'd consider the attendance sparse but that's just me. Folks can come to their own conclusion.

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They only have so much room for picketing. I don’t know about LAX but ATL had more pilots than what could be accommodated for the active picketing positions. Where were you? On a green slip? Prepping for summer thunder storms?

gloopy 03-27-2022 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3395391)
Folks, somebody has to fly the RJ style flying. Mainline pilots clamored for this flying for years and now we're getting it, plus a lot more to come.

Once again, its not "the RJ flying" that's the issue. Its the insane 2018 Optimizer trying to fix the crazy one million BES dilutions along with an unrealistic obsession to lower hotel costs.

Now that the 88 is gone, everything but the 717 is pretty much a transcon capable plane which also means everything in between. Therefore even if we "took over" 100% of "regional" flying there's no excuse for 0-2% commutable trips or panicked plane changes/4 hour sits every single time just to save a couple minutes of credit for the EPS folks. Double "non-commutable" often circadian flipping barn burners. That Optimizer stuff isn't an inevitable consequence of "regional" flying; its mostly a consequence of the 2018 Optimizer. If short stage lengths always = horrendous QOL wrecking pairings, the Shuttle would have been just as bad because those are the shorter ends of the leg length spectrum anyway.

The company needs to be made to eat some credit if they want to base everything everywhere and spread everything too thin. They are free to simplify the NB fleets and use fewer bases if they want, but supposedly we make trillions per day in savvy profits by spreading everything so thin, so its OK if we add credit back in because its paid for by definition. And we're told the Optimizer, if it exists, only adds 1-2% of efficiencies, so that proves it can be totally and completely eliminated at very little cost.

OOfff 03-27-2022 10:13 AM

My RJ flying, including the 717, was better than current 320 trips in my base. It’s not the flying, it’s the scheduling

172skychicken 03-27-2022 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3395391)
As you can probably already tell this thread is going to cause confusion of the highest order. Even the Union messenging is confused. The Union spokesperson at the sparsely attended picketings stated the message to management is we're tired, fatigued and it is because we are flying record amounts of overtime.

If you claim be even REMOTELY pro-pilot, what is the point of this?

boog123 03-27-2022 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by ASAP (Post 3395524)
Honest to God I feel like I’d quit immediately after flying a trip like that. Freaking brutal.

He probably didn’t even fly it himself, he’s known for questionable ethics, ROAR!!!!!!


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