Dual employment
 

My previous employer is offering me what they call "third tier" employment, which basically means I could fly for them once or twice every other month, or do admin duties on a pay-per-hour schedule.

Would this violate DAL policies?

For flying, how would this impact flying hour restrictions?

For admin work, are there restrictions on dual employment?

Thanks in advance for your input.

FOM 3.1.7 answers most of your questions

Apparently our schedules aren’t that bad if you have time to go flying outside of delta.

It's not a bad idea to keep ties with your previous company especially when you are very junior (i.e. not much furlough fodder below you). As we're all painfully aware, the economy can take a sudden turn at any time. You might be able to slide right back into a full time position if that happened.

Just make sure you follow all of Delta's rules to the letter and you'll have a nice back-up and a little extra $.

I'm guessing the OP doesn't work at Delta yet.

If the schedules were that great, the pilot may not choose to find flying outside of D.

My opinion would be a hard NO in almost every case.

When you jump into another form of paid flying, you're outside of the ALPA/ASAP umbrella and your ticket is at risk. How lucrative can that side gig possibly be? Is it worth even a 0.01% chance of endangering a multi-multi million dollar career?

What someone else said about keeping ties if junior isn't a bad idea. But IMO I wouldn't try a side gig to do it.

As for money, will that job pay a lot more than a WS or GS over the same timeframe? Seems highly unlikely even from the money POV.

Outside civilian flight hours count against your FAR limits, so it's unlikely Delta would approve. Your best avenue for extra flying income is picking up a WS/GS as previously mentioned. The admin only portion would be the only realistic option. IMHO your best side hustle would be a non flying income source. My personal favorite is real estate investing, which comes in many flavors ranging from very active to completely passive.

I say go for it. 135 is starving for pilots and a friend of mine manages hawkers out of SNA. He cleared 498k last year.

Can always file a NASA report if it's bad.

He couldn't make another 2k?

It’s very small amount of flying, I would absolutely jump on it for variety of scenery, if nothing else.

Philosophically speaking breaking up the routine is very good, if not essential for mental health. Get a hobby most would say and I agree, but if you are an airplane nerd and enjoy aviation – why not spice it up?

Flying a GS/WS sounds easy, but it only increases the time amount of routine - same drive, same operation and aircraft, and same burned out (complaining how hot the operation is) dude to fly with.

Don’t overdo it, however. The comment on asap/ALPA protection of your ticket was spot on.

Can one even make more outside of employment here…one for one? On three year pay, a days work plus 401 is almost a grand, double that for a GS. I don’t do anything outside of Delta for this reason. I thought about jumping back into things like CFIing and etc. but turning down $2k for $40 just doesn’t make sense.

Neither does the risk of you or a student doing something dumb in a 172 for $40/hr.

This career is not worth jeopardizing to be a CFI.

it’s pretty unlikely that your ATP will be pulled for anything a student does. We risk our life/careers for all kinds of things: waterskiing on a holiday weekend, riding a motorcycle, flying an RV4, etc.. if someone gets fulfillment from doing GA things, more power to them

I couldn’t agree more. I also encourage people to ride motorcycles, hang glide, imbibe with abandon and stick to fast food for sustenance.

is that for all, or only those senior to you? :D

You’re pickin up what I’m layin down!

what is life without risk?

Longer???

I’m definitely not here to tell anyone how to live their lives or spend their money - we’ve got enough of that here and in the cockpit. My personal risk profile revolves around my kids. As they age and gain less from a father’s presence, I’ll dial things up a bit.

In the mean time, all y’all need to live it up!

quality > length. Being a CFI on the side for the personal fulfillment is incredibly unlikely to bring about the end of your ability to care for kids

I am not sure if that includes things like hotels and fuel for which he collects points and expenses to the owners.

Going contract rate for about any corporate jet with ocean crossing legs starts @ $1500 a day plus expenses. Expense first class seat, 4-star hotel and all meals to owners. The Global guys and gals are cleaning it out. I for one would rather fly to Hawaii, have a three day layover, Pocket $10k for me and expense the fuel and hotels, keep the points. It is way more sane than any airline on domestic with short layovers, long duty periods and the ACARS printer rolling half the flight with reroutes.

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Most replies about part-time flying options completely miss the point. Except for National Guard and Reserves, FltOps will NEVER approve outside flying given how taxed Crew Skds is.

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And this…I figured everything besides military would be a hard no.

Depends on the fleet.

Then dont CFI then! Who is forcing you?

To some it’s not about money, it’s more like a hobby and mental health mitigation strategy.
Some pilots just like aviation. Or keep developing in other areas. Others wish they could but are too busy with family etc.

Just flew with a kid who is a part owner of a glider school. He flies gliders a lot for fun, tows every once in a while and flies for mama D max 70/month.
Very happy person.

oh, also he feels wearing a hat is not such a big deal! :)

He wears his Delta hat in the glider? Weirdo!

Not sure! The dudes in the uniform compliance thread probably could shed some light on it!

I meant he is happy to go by policy working for D and not toxic about it.

If I were in the bottom 20%, there is no way I would have all my eggs in the Delta basket. I wouldn't even ask flight ops, just stay legal wrt to flight times. Sure, it's a roll of the dice, what isn't?

Another option is having eggs in a non-aviation basket. Many of the things that interrupt a Delta career would interrupt aviation in general.

That’s stupid, because if Delta determines working for that company violated some non-compete policy, you could be fired. That’s a huge roll of the dice.

And if it’s moving people between places, it probably would in some way.

Just flying for compensation without authorization would qualify. No way that's worth the risk.

not sure if DL has a different policy, but legally speaking, this is only true if the flying is 121/135/91k. 91 flying does not count towards FAR limits

Respectfully, but stupid is being in the bottom 20% of an airline, having the ability to generate a six figure side income, believing life will be all roses, getting a furlough notice, ending up as a truck driver or fishing charter deck hand and selling the strongest asset you have, your home.

User mileage may very.

And secondly, Part 91 or even 135 is not competing with Delta. The routes arent even remotely similar and Delta doesnt operate into most of the destinations.

The only form of competition is you, as a unit of work. If you are flying Part 91 you arent sitting around waiting for a GS or IA.

You sound very fearful in life.

Seems like you have your fears too, they just differ from his.

First 121 hu? I think youre gonna do fine here but youve gotta start listening to the people trying to help you without doing what ur doing now.

But once again, if you are flying outside of Delta, they want to know and have you request it. I know people that got approval for Part 91. But to risk getting fired over it and losing a career? Not smart. But you do you.

If you have the ability to generate a six figure income, couldn’t you just do that if you got furloughed? 🤔

How do you make $10k a month flying on off days?